Creatine for memory and cardio rather than mass, do you dose different?

[Lao Tzu]

I dont want/need mass i have enough but almost all info on creatine dosing is based on people who want to use it to build mass. I want to use it to give me extra energy for cardio, for all around energy and to improve my memory. So would i still need to cycle the stuff and take 2-3 weeks off every 8 weeks, would i need a loading phase?

 

[paul allen]

I dont want/need mass i have enough but almost all info on creatine dosing is based on people who want to use it to build mass. I want to use it to give me extra energy for cardio, for all around energy and to improve my memory. So would i still need to cycle the stuff and take 2-3 weeks off every 8 weeks, would i need a loading phase?

I have never heard of creatine increasing memory. I can't understand how it might do this.

Anyway, regarding cardio, more recent studies have showed that creatine doesn't need cycling. Loading also just get the levels up quicker, but not loading, the levels still get there eventually but you avoid water retention.

 

[The Terminator]

I want to use it to give me extra energy for cardio, for all around energy and to improve my memory.

That is some wishful thinking of your creatine...I have never had either of those as a benefit to using it...

 

[geoboy]

Re: Re: Creatine for memory and cardio rather than mass, do you dose different?

[memory]
That is some wishful thinking of your creatine...I have never had either of those as a benefit to using it...

its for real. read a few studies, at least 1 in LEF site (life extension foundation). on college students and senior citizens, the creatine showed consistently superior results on memory scores. i think the site is LEF.com

 

[The Terminator]

Re: Re: Re: Creatine for memory and cardio rather than mass, do you dose different?

its for real. read a few studies, at least 1 in LEF site (life extension foundation). on college students and senior citizens, the creatine showed consistently superior results on memory scores. i think the site is LEF.com

That link goes to a vitamin store...

I would like to read the study...Can you give a direct link...

 

[Lao Tzu]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3145223.stm

"experts say that it has a role in maintaining energy levels to the brain, and have the theory that taking more creatine might actually improve mental performance."


So would creatine have no benefits for normal cardio? I used to use creatine when i did HIIT cardio and it probably helped for that but i quit doing that and now i just do normal cardio.

So what should i take for normal cardio then? pyruvate & B vitamins?

 

[geoboy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Creatine for memory and cardio rather than mass, do you dose different?

I would like to read the study...Can you give a direct link...

Term- theres more, but can't find them. this current article will do for now.
(the support for supplemental creatine & memory etc gets better near end of article). theres plenty of source footnotes to keep you busy.


http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/feb2004_report_creatine_02.htm

LE Magazine February 2004

The “Strength Supplement” that Improves Brain Power
By Dr. Edward R. Rosick

Some researchers believe that creatine may even be useful in combating the debilitating mental effects of Alzheimer’s disease. In cultured rat neurons, creatine has been shown to prevent the toxic effects of b-amyloid, a significant component of Alzheimer’s disease. With this in mind, the authors of a recent study that examined elderly patients who have the ApoE genotype (known to be a genetic risk factor for Alzheimer’s) stated: “… the potentially therapeutic effects of creatine in cognitive impairment and AD [Alzheimer’s disease] might merit further inquiry and should perhaps best not be overlooked.”9

Keeping Mind and Memory Strong
While creatine may prove useful in combating some of our most debilitating neurological diseases, recently published research highlights how creatine can help people without neurological disorders maintain optimal brain function and even improve memory.

Several well-researched studies have conclusively demonstrated that brain creatine levels are tied to optimal memory ability and retention. One study published in 2000 examined working memory ability—defined as the brain’s capacity to “hold” information for future use without the use of external cues—in children using magnetic resonance spectroscopy to measure various brain neurochemicals.10 The researchers found that children with the highest levels of creatine had the most robust working memory, and concluded: “… we speculate that higher resting creatine levels may allow for greater in-task activation [and] facilitate processing.”

Brain creatine levels also have been found to correlate with memory ability in older adults. A study published in February 2003 examined via magnetic resonance spectroscopy changes in the brain in 20 older adults (average age of 70) during memory training tasks.11 The researchers found that brain creatine levels rose during memory training. Another article published recently in Neuroscience Research examined the effects of supplemental creatine on mental fatigue in 24 adult men and women.12 In this double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, subjects who took 8 grams of creatine daily over a five-day period showed significantly less mental fatigue while performing simple mathematical calculations compared to the subjects who did not take creatine. The authors noted that while they did not know the specific mechanism of action, creatine appeared to help increase oxygen utilization in the brain.


Maintaining Optimal Brain Health
A study published in October 2003 sheds additional light on creatine’s ability to increase memory and even intelligence.13 The researchers used vegetarians as their subjects, postulating that creatine supplementation might be more effective in vegans because they do not derive much creatine from their diet (creatine is found mainly in meat). Forty-five subjects (12 men and 33 women) aged 19 to 37 were enrolled in a double-blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study for a period of six weeks, during which some subjects were supplemented with 5 grams per day of creatine while the others received placebo. Both groups then took a battery of tests examining their memory and analytical skills. This was followed by a six-week “washout” period, during which no creatine or placebo was given, and then another six_-week trial during which subjects who received creatine in the first trial were given placebo, and vice versa. Following this, another battery of tests for memory and intelligence was administered.

As in earlier studies, subjects who took creatine scored significantly higher on tests for both memory and analytical skills compared to those who took placebo. The study’s authors concluded: “creatine supplementation had a significant positive effect on both working memory and intelligence, both tasks that require [mental] speed of processing. These findings underline a dynamic and significant role of brain energy capacity [and creatine] in influencing brain performance.”

However begrudgingly and slow, mainstream medicine appears to be coming to the acceptance that the brain and body are one. Many have long held the notion that one has to forsake the brain to develop the body, and vice versa. Creatine, however, has been shown in multiple studies to be a safe, effective supplement that nourishes both the mind and body, helping each to achieve greater levels of functioning.

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