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coverguy
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p0ink said:
pt was an absolute bitch. i have very unfond memories of 0430 reveille followed by "the daily seven" (exercises done in group, supposed to be 7 but normally more. some include, mountain climbers, push-ups, flutter kicks, etc...) this would lead to a run, normally anywhere from 3-10 miles (at artillery school we would run approx. 7-9 miles on friday in formation and anybody who fell out of the run didn't get liberty over the weekend and was confined to the barracks with extra duties). after the run, we would head to a pull-up bar for multiple max sets of pull ups, then to the pits where we would do multiple supersets of push ups and crunches.
crazy shit, but good.
Gimme' some, PT, Good for you, Good for me!
Oooohrahhh!!! Oooohrahhh!!!
also fun were the 3-5 mile formation runs (in boots and utes) to the obstacle course that we would run several times, and then the run back. followed by the pulls, push-ups and crunches.
kcpmeo22
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I wouldn't say overtraining was bs, considering the build of a military versus bodybuilders. Most soldiers sport the lean proportionate look not a lot of mass, and bodybuilding is based on mass. You can break the muscle down far enough so that it doesn't grow, which is what I think is meant by overtraining. Bodybuilders can't keep thier mass and do PT, as soldiers can't do PT and grow the mass of a BB.
kcpmeo22
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Coverguy said:
True. I guess due to the extended breaks throughtout the day and breaks between lifts (which would prevent extensive muscle breakdown), plus the genetics passed on from a father who probably did the same thing. But I also think that they are a whole different breed than the soldier and the BBer. They seem to be the "happy medium" between the 2. Meaning POSSIBLY better muscle endurance than a BBer but POSSIBLY less than a soldier, and POSSIBLY better strength and mass than a soldier but POSSIBLY less than a BBer.
The "POSSIBLY" were to imphasize that is usually true but not consistent throughout. Just wanted to be clear.
p0ink
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kcpmeo22 said:True. I guess due to the extended breaks throughtout the day and breaks between lifts (which would prevent extensive muscle breakdown), plus the genetics passed on from a father who probably did the same thing. But I also think that they are a whole different breed than the soldier and the BBer. They seem to be the "happy medium" between the 2. Meaning POSSIBLY better muscle endurance than a BBer but POSSIBLY less than a soldier, and POSSIBLY better strength and mass than a soldier but POSSIBLY less than a BBer.
The "POSSIBLY" were to imphasize that is usually true but not consistent throughout. Just wanted to be clear.
a soldier 'possibly' having more endurance than a BB? some pro bodybuilders sweat when they eat and gasp for air between sentences.
coverguy
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kcpmeo22 said:True. I guess due to the extended breaks throughtout the day and breaks between lifts (which would prevent extensive muscle breakdown), plus the genetics passed on from a father who probably did the same thing. But I also think that they are a whole different breed than the soldier and the BBer. They seem to be the "happy medium" between the 2. Meaning POSSIBLY better muscle endurance than a BBer but POSSIBLY less than a soldier, and POSSIBLY better strength and mass than a soldier but POSSIBLY less than a BBer.
The "POSSIBLY" were to imphasize that is usually true but not consistent throughout. Just wanted to be clear.
two things about the military people that you have to realize is that
a) they are active all day long and not sedentary; and
b) they aren't fed very well, nor do they get time to eat that often througout the day.
i think these three things play a big part in their physical make-up. those that are serious about putting on size in the military undergo the same conditions, but primarily ramp up the eating and do put on considerable size.
kcpmeo22
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Coverguy said:
True. I would think, the guys in the military who do put on size while active, would see much better gains with added rest. All statements I have made do have exceptions tho, so you are completely right, and I beleive you whole heartedly. I do think there is such a thing as overtraining in a BBing sense so that you make the "best" possible gains, not just gains.
coverguy
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kcpmeo22 said:
i'm sure overtraining is possible, for example i did back and bis yesterday and my bis are killing me today. i wouldn't want to lift arms to save my life, but if i did i don't know how much it would hurt their development. it might, however, cause me to fuck up my form and injure myself and that would be one hell of a blow to their development.
wish we knew for sure on some of this stuff. it's hard to believe half of what you read. the human body is so amazing and different from one person to the next that it often keeps even the experts guessing.
MrMuscle
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I think overtraining is a combination of hard training and lack of rest and real food.
Having just spent a week doing a military exercise. I noticed that the amount of food you get is far to little to support an overly big mass. When i spent 12 months in the army 5 years ago. I had less mass, and didnt have to eat as much. But now, man i ate 24 proteinbars over the course of 5 days. In addition to the three squares a day and all i could scavenge from breakfast to make lunch with. And i felt like shit when i came home.
Having just spent a week doing a military exercise. I noticed that the amount of food you get is far to little to support an overly big mass. When i spent 12 months in the army 5 years ago. I had less mass, and didnt have to eat as much. But now, man i ate 24 proteinbars over the course of 5 days. In addition to the three squares a day and all i could scavenge from breakfast to make lunch with. And i felt like shit when i came home.
excellent question Poink. I've wondered about that same thing before. I could never imagine how the hell those guys could go that much work everyday and sleep like 6 hours a night and still actually improve. All I could come up with is that the dudes with inferior genetics wash out, so you're left with the guys blessed with the genetics to tolerate that amount of work.
Coverguy, how many guys crash and burn in basic?
Coverguy, how many guys crash and burn in basic?
Scotsman
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Coverguy said:
Omaha beef is great stuff. Plus eating that and potatoes, oatmeal, corn, and lots of fried food gives enough calories to maintain the size. Now ask one of them to go do a 12 mile forced march and they would keel over. My family up until my brother and I were on the farm. Whereas they are all big, they are also not lean at all.
Cheers,
Scotsman
