p0ink said:what do marines know about overtraining?
i have some friends who are former marines, and they said PT was no fucking joke. let's hear it.
Coverguy said:yeah, i think overtraining can be a bunch of bs. look at people who work manual labor like farm hands and construction workers. they're working their muscles all day long and end up being jacked.
kcpmeo22 said:I wouldn't say overtraining was bs, considering the build of a military versus bodybuilders. Most soldiers sport the lean proportionate look not a lot of mass, and bodybuilding is based on mass. You can break the muscle down far enough so that it doesn't grow, which is what I think is meant by overtraining. Bodybuilders can't keep thier mass and do PT, as soldiers can't do PT and grow the mass of a BB.
Coverguy said:true, but look at farmboys in Nebraska and other midwestern states. they don't lift weights, just bales of hay and tractor parts all day long. they're big as fuck.
kcpmeo22 said:True. I guess due to the extended breaks throughtout the day and breaks between lifts (which would prevent extensive muscle breakdown), plus the genetics passed on from a father who probably did the same thing. But I also think that they are a whole different breed than the soldier and the BBer. They seem to be the "happy medium" between the 2. Meaning POSSIBLY better muscle endurance than a BBer but POSSIBLY less than a soldier, and POSSIBLY better strength and mass than a soldier but POSSIBLY less than a BBer.
The "POSSIBLY" were to imphasize that is usually true but not consistent throughout. Just wanted to be clear.![]()
kcpmeo22 said:True. I guess due to the extended breaks throughtout the day and breaks between lifts (which would prevent extensive muscle breakdown), plus the genetics passed on from a father who probably did the same thing. But I also think that they are a whole different breed than the soldier and the BBer. They seem to be the "happy medium" between the 2. Meaning POSSIBLY better muscle endurance than a BBer but POSSIBLY less than a soldier, and POSSIBLY better strength and mass than a soldier but POSSIBLY less than a BBer.
The "POSSIBLY" were to imphasize that is usually true but not consistent throughout. Just wanted to be clear.![]()
Coverguy said:two things about the military people that you have to realize is that
a) they are active all day long and not sedentary; and
b) they aren't fed very well, nor do they get time to eat that often througout the day.
i think these three things play a big part in their physical make-up. those that are serious about putting on size in the military undergo the same conditions, but primarily ramp up the eating and do put on considerable size.
kcpmeo22 said:True. I would think, the guys in the military who do put on size while active, would see much better gains with added rest. All statements I have made do have exceptions tho, so you are completely right, and I beleive you whole heartedly. I do think there is such a thing as overtraining in a BBing sense so that you make the "best" possible gains, not just gains.
RottenWillow said:excellent question Poink. I've wondered about that same thing before. I could never imagine how the hell those guys could go that much work everyday and sleep like 6 hours a night and still actually improve. All I could come up with is that the dudes with inferior genetics wash out, so you're left with the guys blessed with the genetics to tolerate that amount of work.
Coverguy, how many guys crash and burn in basic?
Coverguy said:true, but look at farmboys in Nebraska and other midwestern states. they don't lift weights, just bales of hay and tractor parts all day long. they're big as fuck.
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