Congress just gave away another $48 Billion to fight AIDS

[stosstruppe]

You euro fags and your goddamn soccer. I swear...

 

[heatherrae]

I think its safe to say that in basically every major city in the US, you can't walk for more than a mile without going by a place that will either give you condoms for free, or charge you the amount of a fast food meal for a months supply.

I read an article this morning that the AIDS rates among blaques in America is fast approaching Africa type levels...most of it being due to unprotected sex.

If you get AIDS through unprotected sex in America in this day and age, its nobodys fault but your own, and therefore you and I shouldnt have to pay for their reckless irresponsibility.

okay, I just thought I would back up to where you say funding shouldn't go to research because these people basically deserve to get the disease.

yeah, there is a bit of racism thrown in too. Evidently, the blacks are to blame, too, and you aren't too fond of blacks, either.

You are a real saint!

 

[heatherrae]

Yes Heather. I'm hideously jealous of your life. It keeps me up at night.

No, your sleep apnea keeps you up at night, fatty.

 

[blueta2]

I strongly disagree.

I'm looking for a link now but I had a study mailed to me with a bulletin to get people to "walk for the cure" fundraiser. Anyway, this study was specific to childhood cancers. It showed the survival rates for children in the 70's compared to now. Many of the survival rates had gone from as low as 5 or 10% to as high as 90% That is quite an improvement, even if it isn't a cure! It takes time. Your friend shouldn't be so discouraged. Even if she doesn't cure it, the research for a cure is cumulative. When a cure is found, her research will be part of the greater body of work that lead to the cure.

EDIT: Here is a link to one study that addresses the increase in survival rates in childhood luekemia. Making Better Drugs for Children with Cancer

Plus, I'm all for keeping research scientists employed and working toward the betterment of mankind. Not every researcher is going to get the big breakthrough or the shining moment, but they should feel proud that their work went toward the betterment of mankind. Researchers read the work of other published scientists and build on that body of work.

But there is no betterment of mankind?! That is an illusion.

The betterment of mankind will come when funding is given to promote a better food supply, making life less stressful and to learn/teach humans how to better care for their own bodies.

Sure some abx kill deadly bacteria and sure some chemo's help cancer, but why do some people survive and some do not on these medications?
Why, I'll tell you why. Because one person may just be healthier than the next.

 

[heatherrae]

But there is no betterment of mankind?! That is an illusion.

The betterment of mankind will come when funding is given to promote a better food supply, making life less stressful and to learn/teach humans how to better care for their own bodies.

Sure some abx kill deadly bacteria and sure some chemo's help cancer, but why do some people survive and some do not on these medications?
Why, I'll tell you why. Because one person may just be healthier than the next.

It isn't an illusion. How about small pox? How about the polio vaccine? How about sterilization techniques that mean that we could have surgery with small risk of infection? How about treatments that also increased so dramatically the survival rates for HIV? Obviously, these are all good things.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

HR, if I cum down there this weekend we should probably make fried twinkies and watch old episodes of sex and the city.

 

[heatherrae]

But there is no betterment of mankind?! That is an illusion.

The betterment of mankind will come when funding is given to promote a better food supply, making life less stressful and to learn/teach humans how to better care for their own bodies.

Sure some abx kill deadly bacteria and sure some chemo's help cancer, but why do some people survive and some do not on these medications?
Why, I'll tell you why. Because one person may just be healthier than the next.

PS...the parents of the kids who's leukemia is now in remission would think that the research that increased the survival rates was a great betterment of mankind.

How wonderful to save childrens' lives who would have most likely died 30 years ago!

 

[heatherrae]

HR, if I cum down there this weekend we should probably make fried twinkies and watch old episodes of sex and the city.

I don't like sex in the city, but the twinkies are

 

[blueta2]

Thats too bad. Now the question in my mind would be is no progress being made due to the research being privatized, or due to the complex nature of the disease itself?

Lyme if caught early is 100% treatable and not complicated
If left untreated, becomes chronic and complicated.

The only place I see that lyme research needs funding is to provide better testing. There is no conclusive test for lyme. It's a clinic diagnosis right now.
Though there are private labs that have somewhat conclusive tests for it. These are private labs where one has to pay on their own for testing.

If there was proper testing, then people can get treated early, therefore not needing funding for an illness that can be cured if caught early.

 

[blueta2]

It isn't an illusion. How about small pox? How about the polio vaccine? How about sterilization techniques that mean that we could have surgery with small risk of infection? How about treatments that also increased so dramatically the survival rates for HIV? Obviously, these are all good things.

I'm part of an HIV board (no I do not have it, I mod. a health board) and many folks on there have lived over 15 yrs with hiv w/out taking any meds. They had a lifestyle change instead.

Now having said that, I'm not against research, but am not really comfortable with billions being spent on this or that illness. This is where I feel it's all about the buck.

I don't feel we can cure aids or cancer, hell, we can't cure the common cold.
Why are they not putting billions into researching the common cold, The common cold virus turns to pneumonia and kills people.

I think funding should be spent on prevention more than the cure.
I just watched a Dr G Medical Examaner and someone she did an autopsy on died of Herpes simplex 1. This girl has systemic herpes that killed her within 6 days of transmission. Why did she die from it? Because she had a compromised immune system.