Confusion...

[fatcoow]

6'1,220,23 years old.

I have been playing around with the idea of a cycle for a while, anavar only, sarms, natty stacks ( already done twice using ntbm stuff which is amazing ).

This is what I am lifting right now using Stronglifts :

Bench 230 5 reps...5 sets
Deadlift 250 5 reps....5 sets
Overhead press 165 5 sets 5 reps
Squats 180 5 sets 5 reps ( due to knee issues I am building up very slowly on these to avoid messing up again )
Barbell Rows 200 5 x 5....

This is just to put out there that I am not someone who has never trained or is looking for a quick way to get "swole". I really lift hard and try to be as strong as I possibly can.

I want to add a lot of size and basically just want to be a freak for lack of a better phrase. I know to a lot of more experience people here that might sound strange, but I just want to take things to the next level. My eating is spot on...I just feel that a bench of 230 ( 265 max ) is just not super impressive. I know a lot of you here have crazy numbers and look like real-life versions of the hulk.

What do I do?

Are sarms the way to go?

I just want my size to be proportionate to my strength. And in case anyone says it right now I am at 4000+ calories a day.

 

[buddhabuilder]

Talk to us about your diet. How many calories are you getting a day? Do you know your current body fat %?

 

[Jbranken]

Sometimes us tall guys with long limbs have a hard time gaining the strength that reflects our frame, I feel your pain there. I'm 6' 2 with a long range of motion and it takes ages to make strength gains. Guys with shorter limbs and t-rex arms will always be able to put more weight up. It will come with time

As far as your question, I think sarms are a great way to get your feet wet. Try a triple stack

 

[RickRock13]

6'1,220,23 years old.

I have been playing around with the idea of a cycle for a while, anavar only, sarms, natty stacks ( already done twice using ntbm stuff which is amazing ).

This is what I am lifting right now using Stronglifts :

Bench 230 5 reps...5 sets
Deadlift 250 5 reps....5 sets
Overhead press 165 5 sets 5 reps
Squats 180 5 sets 5 reps ( due to knee issues I am building up very slowly on these to avoid messing up again )
Barbell Rows 200 5 x 5....

This is just to put out there that I am not someone who has never trained or is looking for a quick way to get "swole". I really lift hard and try to be as strong as I possibly can.

I want to add a lot of size and basically just want to be a freak for lack of a better phrase. I know to a lot of more experience people here that might sound strange, but I just want to take things to the next level. My eating is spot on...I just feel that a bench of 230 ( 265 max ) is just not super impressive. I know a lot of you here have crazy numbers and look like real-life versions of the hulk.

What do I do?

Are sarms the way to go?

I just want my size to be proportionate to my strength. And in case anyone says it right now I am at 4000+ calories a day.

4000 cals a day doesn't tell me much. What are your macro ratio and ranges? What foods?

 

[fatcoow]

Sorry about that I tend to under-eat, or I have in the past due to being a pro-athlete in a weight class based sport for four years. I don't have set macros but I have minimums that I try to meet and below are the averages of what I get.

250 g of carbs from brown rice,quinoa,lentils,beans.

130-150 g of protein from shakes ( I work two jobs so am perpetually busy ) + 50-100 grams from whole foods. So always a minimum of 200.

Fat is more iffy but I eat a lot of avocado, red meat and peanut butter so it can't be too low. If anything I eat too much fat.

Body fat is 19-21% according to various people and measurements. So not low by any means but it does not bother or concern me.

Please keep in my I am not looking for a shortcut just something that can help me get the most out of the work I a putting in, I intend to keep going up in weight on my lifts and my ultimate goal is to hit 300lbs for 5 reps on all my lifts ( its going to take a while I know...). I am in this for the long haul.

 

[NegroPops]

That fact that you bench the same amount as you deadlift.. and more than you squat tells a lot. I understand that you have a knee issue and you want to ease into it. As soon as you start hitting those lifts hard, you will see your fat loss start accelerating exponentially. Back and Legs are 2 big muscle groups and should not be taken lightly.

So basically you said you want to become huge and jacked. You want a total body recomp. You want to be the same size you are now, but at a lot lower body fat. It will be a lot easier for you to lose a bit of body fat first, then start to bulk. Steroids are great for recomp.. but to the degree you want to take it is a bit excessive. If I were you, I would cut down to you are almost at single digit body fat or lower, and then start bulking from there. Usually when people with higher percentages of body fat cycle to put on size.. they put on more fat too. So yes.. they got bigger and stronger.. but also fatter. Dropping your body fat first before you start eating big will help obtain your goal. This doesn't mean you can't cycle though. Running a basic cycle like anavar, or test.. or even a SARMS stack will help you maintain your LBM while in a caloric deficit.

If I were you, I would spend the rest of the year dieting and cutting. Throw in a SARMS stack or 2 in there, and by the start of next year you should be ready to start becoming a freak.

 

[fatcoow]

As far as I'm aware, which is obviously not very, I will lose strength on the cut correct? Is this why I would do a cycle while cutting? ( to maintain strength )I appreciate the help and am not saying you are wrong by any means, just a little nervous about cutting since I haven't been bulking too long and my increased bodyfat doesn't really bother me. Do I change my training when cutting? Sorry for the randomly scattered questions.

 

[NegroPops]

Well.. if you were to start cutting naturally, then the loss of strength would accompany that. That is why steroids are so great for cutting and recomping. They help you maintain your strength and lean body mass, and can also help you make gains while being in a caloric deficit. One of the best for this is tren. You won't get the same kind of strength gains you would get if you were bulking, but as long as you keep your caloric deficit reasonable.. there should not be any negative impact on your strength in my opinion.

I understand that the body fat doesn't bother you, which is fine. I am just saying that it may be easier to obtain your goals if you get lean first then start to bulk. A cycle where you are recomping, or cutting will not put the same amount lean mass on you, as it would if you were bulking. So to reach your goals trying to recomp at your current body fat could be a long ways down the road. But, if you drop the body fat lower to something more reasonable you can bulk more freely and put on a great deal more size in shorter amount of time.

When I am cutting, I don't change from training too much. I always stay between the 8-12 rep range. If I am cutting though, I will add in some super sets and concentrate a lot more on form then raw power. The only thing I really change is the diet.