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Conflicting info on squats, presses, & dips

delldell2

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http://www.multisporthealthcenter.com/page12.html

I have a few questions:

1. Some advocate full squats because it's a full range of motion, etc. and some are saying only go to parallel because more depth will damage the patella and cartilage. Who's right? Why should I go full? Why should I not? I just want this to be resolved because I keep hearing one sided arguments.

2. In the above mentioned article, he recommends only doing presses with dumbbells and the eccentric motion only being until your shoulder is perpendicular. Do you have a reason to disagree with this? I do standing overhead presses down to my chin and dumbbell bench presses down to my chest. Should I change that?

3. Are dips really dangerous? Only dangerous when you go all the way down? Or safe if you go to perpendicular?

My shoulders crack ALOT, but I have no pain. When I saw a doctor for my knees he said I have "loose joints" and recommended incline presses over military presses. He said I could not do anything to fix my shoulder integrity. I find that hard to believe since he also told me to do leg extensions over squats. Shows how much he knows.

It just seems weird to me that people are saying all these exercises are dangerous. Gymnasts do tons of dips and olympic lifters do tons of overhead presses and full squats. How are their joints?

It just scares me that my joints used to crack a little and now crack alot more. I cna definitely see how dips did this. I was going past parallel on those, so I think I'll stop going so deep, but I really like that exercise and don't want to stop.

My knees used to grind alot. They've stopped doing that, but now sometimes they feel tight and I have to squat down so the joints pop. They pop pretty loud sometimes.

I'm lifting for general strength, size, and explosiveness as well as basketball. So, I'm not just concerned about looks, I want to make sure my body is healthy. Hopefully some of you all can help.
 
There is no right or wrong, just do what needs to be done.

DIps is strange, when I first dip em, they hurt, but after the 3rd session, the pain is gone, and infact my shoudlers feel much better and stronger. I suspect the fact they stretrch the shoulder joint helps, and the insability of movement strengthens things. I don';t sue any weight, I do them controleld down and as fast as I can upwards. It is a power/speed move for me. I can do em much more explosively than any bench work etc.
 
Yes, I forgot to read the last paragraph in that article. He states something pretty important:
A well balanced rotator cuff program can minimize damage.

So...If anyone can help me with that, it'd be greatly appreciated.


I wouldn't be using dips for power/speed, but an assistance hypertrophy exercises. I also just like bodyweight exercises like dips and chins.
 
well cleans work your extenral rotation, bench and chins etc work internal rotation

just do some face down incline raises to the side- slightly downwards for your mid traps and other smaller back muscles, and then do the same raises with thumbs up grip but upwards like a snatch still on the incline bench face down.

add some up dumbell elbows out rows and your sorted, these a bit like doing a face pull, but with dumbells which are better IMO :)
 
Thanks. I had neglected rows for awhile because they felt weird. I've started to do them and hopefully that'll help. I'm also going to stop dipping deep.

When I do rows (cable, seated at the moment) I felt a little pain on the end of the eccentric stretch. I read an article on deepsquatter which said you should shorten the eccentric if that's the case.
 
If it hurts now, doesn't mean it will hurt anymore in a few weeks time. Trust me on this.

if you bench you must row!

most pain comes from muscle imbalances
 
Also running and tempo runs have improved my knee strength and stability like nothing

the weight room is just to one dimensional to cure all evils.
The body needs 360 degrees of motion
 
as far as dumbells go barbells are good for size and mass dumbellare good for definition as you are isolating the motion barbells defiantely aren't bad for you i love them dips i don't think should be bad for you at all and for squats you got to go hard bro no pain no gain
 
protobe said:
as far as dumbells go barbells are good for size and mass dumbellare good for definition as you are isolating the motion barbells defiantely aren't bad for you i love them dips i don't think should be bad for you at all and for squats you got to go hard bro no pain no gain

um, thanks...

Could someone who knows please answer?
 
delldell2 said:


um, thanks...

Could someone who knows please answer?

dumbells ad an aspect of versatility
you can add a bit of a squezing motion, you can bring them through a range of motion that is not possible with a bar, and you use more stabalizers with dumbells

a good program incorporates barbells AND dumbells
 
as far as your popping joints and things of that sort, that's just part of the game man...just monitor and if that popping becomes associated with pain, or a decreased ROM, then take a serious look at that. Other than that, \i feel little aches and audible noises from the joints come with the territory.
 
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