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Confederate flag, teacher absent from open house

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Confederate flag, teacher absent from open house

09/25/01

Janet Okoben
Plain Dealer Reporter

Open-house night went on at Cleveland's John Hay High School with little notice of the Confederate flag flap of last week.

Rebecca Segetti, the history teacher who had a Confederate flag on display in her classroom until Friday, did not attend the open house. Her flag, which she said was meant to illustrate symbols from the Civil War, brought increased security at the high school last week and made her the object of death threats.


Segetti, a teacher at Hay since 1997, said Principal Delbert Longino and a teachers union official told her it would be best if she stayed home last night. She said Longino didn't ban her from the building but strongly suggested she should not attend open house, for safety reasons.

Segetti was angered by the decision: "This is when my kids' parents show up for the first time. And I can't meet them?"

Longino said last week that he would allow time for a community discussion about the flag during the open house if the topic came up. After student and school department presentations, parents toured classes and went to a reception, but the flag topic didn't come up.

Segetti's room, 317, was locked, and the lights were out. Assistant Principal Rolondo Peterson announced most of the school faculty by name but acknowledged Segetti's social studies department only as a group.

Segetti hung the flag in her classroom before school started, but James Chance, a school custodian, removed it. Chance was reprimanded, but an assistant principal also told Segetti to keep the flag out of sight until it came up specifically in lessons.

The lessons started last week. Segetti hung the flag last Monday. By Wednesday, two death threats had been called into the office, Longino said. Segetti was advised to stay home Thursday.

After hearing about another threat reportedly aired on radio yesterday, Segetti said she fears for her safety. She's considering asking for a buyout of her contract so she wouldn't have to return to any Cleveland school this year. School officials told her last week that she could be transferred to another school.

"They can't assure my safety in any school in Cleveland," she said. "I don't have any problem with going to school. I just don't want to put my students in danger."

Plain Dealer reporter Angela Townsend contributed to this article.

Contact Janet Okoben at:

[email protected], 216-999-4535

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Re: Okay Weapon X

gymnpoppa said:
What do you think? Should she be allowed to keep the flag up in her class room? :confused: :confused:

Damn skippy she should. It was not a statement of ideology, just a display for a history class.

If it was a display of ideology, she shouldn't do it on taxpayer time, but she should be free to display it on her car, her home, etc.
 
Re: Re: Okay Weapon X

Weapon X said:


Damn skippy she should. It was not a statement of ideology, just a display for a history class.

If it was a display of ideology, she shouldn't do it on taxpayer time, but she should be free to display it on her car, her home, etc.

I agree totally. It is a lesson, and we all need to be better educated, no?
 
Taken in context of her being a History teacher, I can understand the teacher displaying it in the room. I wonder how prominantly it was displayed. Maybe a 8x10 picture on a Bulletin board vs a full size flag hanging from the wall???

I think that displaying that flag in America is what we mean by liberty, and that it is simply a method of stirring up shit.

When will people realize that some things we have the Right to do, still don't make sense due to it angering and hurting sensitive thin skinned peoples feelings.
 
On something as stupid of an issue of a flag.
Do you seriously think that there are any black folks who are hurt whenever they see that friggen flag? HELL NAH! They only want to be in full control. And that pisses me off because I'm not racist. Black people are more racist this day & time then white. Always pulling the race card, "That flag is an evil symbol and should not be flown." It's a flag for christs sake! jesus I would like to personally get some rebar from a construction site and pummel the hell out of any person who thinks it's wrong to fly that flag. I especially would like to meet someone who sent death threats over it. I have redneck friends who woul like to meet them also.
 
gymnpoppa: I said that "she should come down south" because...

1) The flag represented the South in the Civil War, making it more appropriate to fly--although since the war is over, most would logically imply that no matter where it is flown, it is merely a remembrance of our nation's past.

2) Down here, we are very proud of our heritage. I hear people say that "You lost, so why hang the flag?" UUhhh...?? The Cowboys lost last week. Does this mean I'm any less of a fan. So, one would logically imply that hanging the flag for the purpose of displaying pride would be perfectly rational.

3) The south has less bed-wetting liberals than the north, and therefore she would find less hassle in displaying something like the Confederate flag in her classroom.

:)
 
Damn, I really need to get back to studying, but I have to reply.

Let's take a different flag. the Nazi flag. If a teacher so chose to display it in a history lesson, would you all feel the same way?

Curiousity...
 
Anyway you slice it... that flag is a part of history. If were are taught to forget about history, the walls of this country will crumble. I am sure that is what the bed-wetters want.

History is just that... History. I think the school board and the ones who made the threats against this women are the ones to blame for trying to mask a true part of American History.
 
furious said:
Damn, I really need to get back to studying, but I have to reply.

Let's take a different flag. the Nazi flag. If a teacher so chose to display it in a history lesson, would you all feel the same way?

Curiousity...

Yup. I sure would.
 
Good question.

Why did she feel compelled to bring a flag? I understand what she was trying to prove, but was it necessary to bring some huge flag? Did the children have poor eyesight?


The confederate flag isn't in any history books anymore? Couldn't she have said, turn to page 109 to see what a confederate flag looks like. Or she could have shown a rerun of the Dukes of Hazzard.
 
furious said:
Damn, I really need to get back to studying, but I have to reply.

Let's take a different flag. the Nazi flag. If a teacher so chose to display it in a history lesson, would you all feel the same way?

Curiousity...
I would.. it is also a part of history. If you forget that flag you are forgetting a very important part of history.
Having the flag in the classroom and actually teaching pro-nazi lessons to the students are two diffrent things.

If you forget the nazi flag, you are forgetting the holocaust.

We cannot forget history... or we are doomed to repeat it.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Good question.

Why did she feel compelled to bring a flag? I understand what she was trying to prove, but was it necessary to bring some huge flag? Did the children have poor eyesight?
Who said it was huge? (As dballer asked.)



The confederate flag isn't in any history books anymore? Couldn't she have said, turn to page 109 to see what a confederate flag looks like. Or she could have shown a rerun of the Dukes of Hazzard.

So, teachers shouldn't hang up pictures of the presidents because thos pictures are already in teh textbook?
And what about maps or calendars? Should the walls be bare?
 
She took the liberty to use an educational aid. She is a teacher, which means she is underpaid to do a an unheralded job.
With an actual flag present, she is using a visual aid to get her lesson across.
 
furious said:
She took the liberty to use an educational aid. She is a teacher, which means she is underpaid to do a an unheralded job.
With an actual flag present, she is using a visual aid to get her lesson across.

Good point, furious.
Mutatis mutandis!
 
Nothing like valid, objective points in a debate. Good thread, good post. Seems like she was usuing it for teaching purposes only.....
 
furious said:
She took the liberty to use an educational aid. She is a teacher, which means she is underpaid to do a an unheralded job.
With an actual flag present, she is using a visual aid to get her lesson across.

I agree furious.

Wow! Look at that everyone! Two black mean with open minds and not being racist.

I hate how some of you classify "blacks" as all being the same...all pulling the racist card. I guess it's our great American society.

On the point of the Nazi flag, I think that is too sensitive to have on display...even if it is history. Innocent people died simply because of who they were. The Nazi flag represents hate, like it or not. The confederate flag has a whole different history.
 
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