competitor question...competitors only reply (p.s first post)..

[bigtasty25]

need a few answers from some of you experienced competitors out there...p.s im new to this board and this is my first post...it looks like a huge and very informative board and i look forward to learning alot from you guys..and hope to contribute alot as well on my part to make this a better board

Now, im doing a show on april 8th...approx next sat...and on friday i plan on carbing up...sat-tues im going to deplete at 50-75 grams with 75mcgs t3+300mcgs T2 (150mcgs T3 equivalent total). Now my question is...
1)i know i should taper t3 down to a very low amount by the time showtime rolls around to avoid waterweight since its "liothyronine sodium"..but what about the T2? Do i need to ramp that down as slowly or can i still use a good amount right up to showtime?

2) would throwing in 20-30mgs halo a few hours be4 prejudging increase vascularity whatsoever? i tried winny for my first show in 2004 and it seemed to help with a pump.

3) I run 200iu of hcg eod continuosly since i never come off and plan on having kids when im older (im currently 24 and in college)..my off cycle is 2-500mgs primo or some other light side effect compound (.ie.-deca). Now the question is...can i run this right up till the show it would it make me hold a small amount of water too? I wonder this because i know it stimulates natural test production, which could increase bloat. Significant though or not?

If anyone can help with this id greatly appreciate it..thanks guys!

 

[Wulfgar]

Congrats on competing man. It is cool seeing guys walk the walk.

1. Yes to the tapering of both thyroid drugs. But dont drop them complletely because high thyroid function increases Creatine retention in the muscles keeping that "full" look possible.
2. I would'nt sweat the Halo a few hours before the judging. IMO the best thing to take before you go onstage is about 5 grams of Arginine or an Arginine Precurser(AAKG) and a Viagara(trust me, you wont get a pump there!) along with some water, salt and carbs 45 min before you go onstage.
3. Dont even worry bout the HCG. The water retention will not be noticable


good luck!
Nick

 

[azul]

I apologize for replying as I'm not a competitor, but I've read of several competitors taking significant amounts of halo the day off the competition.

From personal experience, I know that it definitely helps you get pumped.

 

[todoveritas]

Listen to Wulfgar. You will need to taper the T3. Forget about the sodium depletion thing, it's way, way, way overrated IMHO-I've never bothered with it and have always managed to place well, provided my contest diet and H20 intake was in check. (Personally, I always garbage-loaded day of show-sugar cookies/peanutbutter and Gatorade 1 hour till prelims). +/_ on the Halo. It helps if you are really beat and need a little agressive "lift" but the lights and crowd will give you more than enough. hCG not important.

 

[Makavelli]

You don't need to taper the T3. Why are you running T2? It's useless unless you're trying to shut down your thyroid production. Then it works great at that. T2 has not been in use in about 6 years after everyone figured out that taking T3 was more effective and much safer. You don't need to worry about the small amount of sodium in the T3. You need to stay on the same dose. Coming down could actually cause water retention if your thyroid is running too slow. Don't risk it.

Oh yeah and about the halo. If you're looking to just increase your pump take D-Bol before prejudging. You won't retain water. It won't have time to convert to estrogen and cause problems. I'm assuming you're taking an AI though right?

 

[todoveritas]

Why are you running T2? ... unless you're trying to shut down your thyroid. If you're looking to just increase your pump take D-Bol before prejudging. You won't retain water. It won't have time to convert to estrogen...you're taking an AI though right?

I totally missed the T2...I agree with Mak here, drop it. D-bol day of show is a good trick though I would caution against it if you are not on AI's or haven't tried it before (always good to try-out your last minute tricks like carb/fat load; response to diuretics, red wine, niacin, d-bol during a "dry run" 2 weeks prior to show day.)

 

[Wulfgar]

Anadrol on the day of the show works pretty well for some too (me included) especially if you are still a bit flat.

 

[Makavelli]

Anadrol on the day of the show works pretty well for some too (me included) especially if you are still a bit flat.

I agree. Some people will respond well to anadrol and some to D-Bol. That needs to be figured out in advance.

 

[bigtasty25]

great replies folks...on the T2...ive heard tons of good things about its use in burning brown fat (not sure if this applies to humnas...i.e inconclusive hmm)...and sparing muscle as opposed to T3 which can supposedly burn fat and muscle (i guess this also depends on steroid usage...). Ill drop the hcg just to play it safe a few days out. Im taking 1/2mg mg arimi eod and 100mg proviron daily so on Ai's im legit i think. Anyways...these are some interesting ideas...if i feel a little blah on show day ill try the halo...if i feel a little flat ill try some dbol an hour before...if i feel a little flat/"blah" ill try a small dbol/halo combo ..LOL...anyways...keep em comin =)

 

[Makavelli]

great replies folks...on the T2...ive heard tons of good things about its use in burning brown fat (not sure if this applies to humnas...i.e inconclusive hmm)...and sparing muscle as opposed to T3 which can supposedly burn fat and muscle (i guess this also depends on steroid usage...). Ill drop the hcg just to play it safe a few days out. Im taking 1/2mg mg arimi eod and 100mg proviron daily so on Ai's im legit i think. Anyways...these are some interesting ideas...if i feel a little blah on show day ill try the halo...if i feel a little flat ill try some dbol an hour before...if i feel a little flat/"blah" ill try a small dbol/halo combo ..LOL...anyways...keep em comin =)

Any thyroid hormone will burn both muscle tissue and fat tissue. The problem with T2 is that it shuts down natural thyroid production, via TSH suppression, very effectively. That's actually what it was developed for. They used it on patients that had thyroid cancer and they needed to shrink the tissue.

 

[bigtasty25]

jeez...thats scary...i guess ill have to taper off that and up the t3 to make t3 usage go up to 150mcgs...thanks for letting me know bro..

 

[bigtasty25]

Will T4 suppress natural thyroid production? this is synthroid i believe? or synephrine?

im suprised T3 doesnt suppress TSH, since its very strong...