Comming off 2 years straight-PCT For this?

[Para_Shoot]

Ok, I'm comming off of a 2 year straight, no breaks run of gear. My weekly doses during this time have been 200mgs test prop, 200mgs EQ for the most part but I would switch the EQ with either 200mgs tren enanthate or 200mgs primo for months at a time. Time to time I took winny or anavar. I would say that my weekly doses have never been above 600mgs a week and thats only when I was on the winny or anavar. I have used either Arimadex or AIFM throughout the two years. I did do HCG a little bit sporadically but not regimental for this long of a run.

Looking at one of the EF stickys on PCT, it said that for long cycles to basically use 1500iu's HCG 3xweek for 3 weeks, 20mg Nolva and 100mg Clomid for 3 weeks with the HCG and then just use 20mg Nolva and 50mg Clomid for 3 weeks after that.

Question: Is this going to be enough HCG for trying to cure a 2 year shutdown? If not, should I take a break from HCG after the first 3 weeks and then start HCG up again after a little break? What would some more experienced people with long cycles like mine use for PCT?

I made slow and steady teriffic progress for the last 2 years and I want to get back to normal and not juice again.

 

[makaveli25]

bump for this bro

 

[makaveli25]

thats a very long time to be on cycle bro.. i would do a few runs with hcg. that just seems like a long time to be on homie.. i wish you the best though.. someone with more experince with longterm cycles will chime in

 

[OMEGA]

1)HCG will be key

2)500 ius 2-3 times a week for about 4 weeks

3)then stop use and continue cycle for 3 weeks

4)
A)
7 days before last shot start:
HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - @ 2000iu e4d for about 3 shots
Run with an aromatase inhibitor

B)
AFTER you stop HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - -START = Clomid at 50 mgs ED
Use and aromatase inhibitor with Clomid , run both for 3-4 weeks


5)
Blood Test

6) if Blood test not good repeat 4

 

[wolfman87]

damn dude what were you at when you started and what are you at now (weight, size, lifts)?

 

[goatclone]

How big are your ballz bro?

 

[Gorilla65]

How big are your ballz bro?

why do you want to know the size of his balls bro? lol

 

[Para_Shoot]

damn dude what were you at when you started and what are you at now (weight, size, lifts)?

I attached my picture


Well, heres the fairy tale that came true, honestly. I was 37yrs old 2 years ago, hadn't lifted in 12 years. I was 5'11" 265lbs, all fat. I was also comming off a 10 year addiction to pain pills -AND- going through divorce of 17yrs all at that time. My doc got me off pain pills with weaning down and wellbutrin, still on wellbutrin today. I started in the gym on a mission to transform myself 2 years ago from all this. I lifted only 2 months and then started juice, small amounts and stayed on since. I am now 200lbs with 6%bf, washboard abs and look 29 years old. As far as the guy about ball size, yes they shrank, very much so. The thing is, I didn't care. I went almost two years with no girlfriend cause I was on a mission at the gym, but I have a great girl now and I want to get back to normal working order..know what I mean? By the way, my girl IS hot, even though you can't see her face..hehe That pic was taken in September.

 

[needtogetaas]

Ok, I'm comming off of a 2 year straight, no breaks run of gear. My weekly doses during this time have been 200mgs test testosterone propionate, 200mgs Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - for the most part but I would switch the EQ with either 200mgs trenbolone enanthate or 200mgs Primobolan - methenolone - for months at a time. Time to time I took Winstrol - stanozolol or anavar. I would say that my weekly doses have never been above 600mgs a week and thats only when I was on the Winstrol - stanozolol or anavar. I have used either Arimadex or AIFM throughout the two years. I did do HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - a little bit sporadically but not regimental for this long of a run.

Looking at one of the EF stickys on PCT - post cycle therapy - , it said that for long cycles to basically use 1500iu's HCG 3xweek for 3 weeks, 20mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and 100mg Clomid for 3 weeks with the HCG and then just use 20mg Nolva and 50mg Clomid for 3 weeks after that.

Question: Is this going to be enough HCG for trying to cure a 2 year shutdown? If not, should I take a break from HCG after the first 3 weeks and then start HCG up again after a little break? What would some more experienced people with long cycles like mine use for PCT?

I made slow and steady teriffic progress for the last 2 years and I want to get back to normal and not juice again.

this is going to take more then just getting your natty test back...you have bin on aas for 2 years st8 bro so when you come of a lot is going to happen.your going to mentally crash as well as physically.now is not the time to be cheap and now is not the time to try and get by with as little as you can...go all out with this pct bro.
1-4 500uis hcg eod
1-8 unleashed http://proteinfactory.com/shop/home.php?cat=7
4-8 dermacrine reg 5 pumps ed http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_sust_intro.cfm
8-12 dermacrin sustain 5 pumps ed http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_sust_intro.cfm
I would also use amp2 or no2,creatin,bcaa's,myogenx,hell any thing you can get thats going to help with muscle recovery,lh,mental enhancement,pumps,any thing thats going to help you feel better in the gym as well as help your body recover...


I must tress very very highly and I know I will get hated on but I must stress
that drugs like clomid or nolvadex is not what you need right now....they make you feel worse ya sure they may help in recover but what I listed can do the same and they have ingredents that make you feel good.not depressed
or emotional.this also rise sex drive and not lower it like some serums and ai's are well known to do...right now you need to be focused in the gym and with your diet and you dont need drugs that can make you feel like crap or down.


thats my 2 cents

 

[mattdan]

1)HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - will be key

2)500 ius 2-3 times a week for about 4 weeks

3)then stop use and continue cycle for 3 weeks

4)
A)
7 days before last shot start:
HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - @ 2000iu e4d for about 3 shots
Run with an aromatase inhibitor

B)
AFTER you stop HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - -START = Clomid at 50 mgs ED
Use and aromatase inhibitor with Clomid , run both for 3-4 weeks


5)
Blood Test

6) if Blood test not good repeat 4

Omega is correct. The only place I disagree with him is waiting until you're done with the h c g to run clomid. Do NOT run 100mg like you said. 50mg eod should be enough and I'd start 2 weeks after your last shot. At least you were smart and didn't run mega doses which will make recovery easier. I really don't think it will be as hard as you do because of the low doses.

I don't at all agree with avoiding clomid. Clomid is very effective and does not affect everyone like that. It does me just fine as it does many others. It also is VERY effective and cheap. If you don't like it, throw it away, it's cheap.

I often run it during cycles as well. It blows up your balls and increases ejaculate volume by a large amount as well as orgasm intensity. Sometimes I take it just recreationally the night before sex.

Good luck bro.

 

[needtogetaas]

hay bro when your don feeling like shit come back to me and ill help you recover...I can see just how this is going to go...ill just wait it out till your ready.

 

[OMEGA]

shoot hes using Prop

so start the HCG and AI 1 day after instead of 7 like I posted

 

[goku_kakarot77]

off topic but can you post your pic for non plats, cause you look awesome but cant view it large

 

[mattdan]

shoot hes using testosterone propionate

so start the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and aromatase inhibitor 1 day after instead of 7 like I posted

He's also on EQ unless I read it wrong. I think you got it pretty close the first time. EQ lasts a while. Of course he'd probably be fine starting it 1 week after.

 

[Nelson Montana]

this is going to take more then just getting your natty test back...you have bin on anabolic androgenic steroids for 2 years st8 bro so when you come of a lot is going to happen.your going to mentally crash as well as physically.now is not the time to be cheap and now is not the time to try and get by with as little as you can...go all out with this PCT - post cycle therapy - bro.
1-4 500uis HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - eod
1-8 unleashed http://proteinfactory.com/shop/home.php?cat=7
4-8 dermacrine reg 5 pumps ed http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_sust_intro.cfm
8-12 dermacrin sustain 5 pumps ed http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_sust_intro.cfm
I would also use amp2 or no2,creatin,bcaa's,myogenx,hell any thing you can get thats going to help with muscle recovery,lh,mental enhancement,pumps,any thing thats going to help you feel better in the gym as well as help your body recover...


I must tress very very highly and I know I will get hated on but I must stress
that drugs like clomid or nolvadex is not what you need right now....they make you feel worse ya sure they may help in recover but what I listed can do the same and they have ingredents that make you feel good.not depressed
or emotional.this also rise sex drive and not lower it like some serums and ai's are well known to do...right now you need to be focused in the gym and with your diet and you dont need drugs that can make you feel like crap or down.


thats my 2 cents

I agree with needto on this. Also, although I am the most staunch anti "bridge" guy, you might want to do some proviron once you're off for about a month just to readapt to not being "on" but still having a little extra androgen. Then do the plan as needto suggests. Clomid is a crapshoot. I hate it. It works for some and others it makes worse. It's going to take some time for you to return anyway. For ED problems, take a double dose of UNLEASHED with "POST-CYCLE", it'll work like viagra. Do the Dermacrine every day. You will make it back bro. Good luck.

 

[Para_Shoot]

I thank you all for the PCT responses. Yes, I am scared of never comming back to normal, as normal as a 39yr old male can be but I will do the PCT as instructed. Also, how do I post a picture so everyone can see it, not just platnium members?

 

[needtogetaas]

like this bro.

 

[Para_Shoot]

My picture:


http://i7.tinypic.com/4ta5ts7.jpg


Thank you needtogetaas!!

 

[holy ghost]

yeah bro you are in fucking great shape for your age
and your briza is smoking !

 

[rockstar6181]

good luck with everything mate, your pic looks excellent

 

[mattdan]

Be prepared to be on HRT the rest of your life (as a possibility). Your best shot you have of maintaining that body is with at least 100mg of test a week, if not a little more.

Good luck

 

[Para_Shoot]

Be prepared to be on HRT the rest of your life (as a possibility). Your best shot you have of maintaining that body is with at least 100mg of test a week, if not a little more.

Good luck

You know, that thought you have was always in my mind..that after so long like I did I might actually need HRT. I'm going to not be cheap about PCT and I'm going to do it right, but I realize that there is a possibility that HRT may be needed.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

about pct do what the other say, also to keep you motivated and to keep your outstantind body run dermacrine sustain, amp02,liposlame,g reovery, rawmmc bcaa etc this will keep you motivated geez 2 years on gear is a long time

btw your pic you look awesome bro and you GF has a smoking body

 

[makaveli25]

2 years seems like such a long time.. have any of you bros heard of people making a recovery after a lengthy amout of time like that

 

[needtogetaas]

this is going to take more then just getting your natty test back...you have bin on anabolic androgenic steroids for 2 years st8 bro so when you come of a lot is going to happen.your going to mentally crash as well as physically.now is not the time to be cheap and now is not the time to try and get by with as little as you can...go all out with this PCT - post cycle therapy - bro.
1-4 500uis HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - eod
1-8 unleashed http://proteinfactory.com/shop/home.php?cat=7
4-8 dermacrine reg 5 pumps ed http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_sust_intro.cfm
8-12 dermacrin sustain 5 pumps ed http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_sust_intro.cfm
I would also use amp2 or no2,creatin,bcaa's,myogenx,hell any thing you can get thats going to help with muscle recovery,lh,mental enhancement,pumps,any thing thats going to help you feel better in the gym as well as help your body recover...


I must tress very very highly and I know I will get hated on but I must stress
that drugs like clomid or nolvadex is not what you need right now....they make you feel worse ya sure they may help in recover but what I listed can do the same and they have ingredents that make you feel good.not depressed
or emotional.this also rise sex drive and not lower it like some serums and ai's are well known to do...right now you need to be focused in the gym and with your diet and you dont need drugs that can make you feel like crap or down.


thats my 2 cents

 

[navigatorrs]

why do you want to know the size of his balls bro? lol

HAHAHAHHA LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Stryker1992]

I will be interested to hear recovery goes. It is going to suck for a while