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I've been using yohimburn on both a heavy and light basis on my face, with breaks since about the beginning of August.

However, due to some acne flare ups I have discontinued it for 2 weeks for the first time, where I discovered somethign pleasant. Even though I did not think I was holding alot of water from the yohimburn, I was in fact, I know this because now my face is leaner than perhaps it has ever been. I am quite pleased.

I would suggest if you are prone to acne you expect to have some increased irritation from the yohimburn, perhaps not acne itself, I cannot conclusively say whether or not yohimburn contributed to sporadic flare ups, but my guess is yes they did.

However, for those of us who enjoy having chiseled jawlines and high cheekbones but can never see them thanks to the almighty estrogen receptor, yohimburn is a godsend. Sounds a little too enthusiastic? Maybe but as someone who has nice features but apparently alot of A2 receptors in the face washing them out, it is probably one of the single most effective cosmetically enhancing face products I've ever used....prepare to be puffy for awhile while you're on it, but it's worth it when you come off...In fact, I'd recommend using it on your face more than anywhere else if you have the same puffy face bullshit I've always had to deal with.

I am also curious if thiomucase + aloe vera or somethign similar will be a good face diuretic. Prep H gives me acne too.
 
Frackal, I'm really interested in doing this.

Did you apply it to your entire face? (all the way up to your cheekbones)

If so, how much did you use?
 
Hacker said:
Frackal, I'm really interested in doing this.

Did you apply it to your entire face? (all the way up to your cheekbones)

If so, how much did you use?
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Hacker, I used about 3/4ths a pipette for the whole face, sometimes a little more, you have to be careful and don't apply it when your face is wet unless you want a minty surprise. I applied it on the whole part of my face minus my forehead, even on my nose, and also under my neck as well...I would apply it ONLY when it's going to be most effective, which for me was preworkout along with a dymetadrine, reason being I dont think you can apply daily to your face and keep your skin happy, though HiIntensity is doing it 2x per day.
 
Frackal said:
it is probably one of the single most effective cosmetically enhancing face products I've ever used....prepare to be puffy for awhile while you're on it,
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so what is needed is a "puffy" free version.. hmmm.. :p
 
What would be even cooler is an introdutory special for the puffy-free version.... :alien: :p
 
What about the eyes do they burn bad when applying it on the cheekbones,i 'm going to get me some for this fat face mess :mad: so it helps with the fat neck stuff too? My face is the last place to lose no matter how low my bf gets.
 
LOL Ulter...frackal is a play on the word fractal, which is quite an interesting occurence. Whats an ulter?

Yea pittbull thats what Im saying, I have the same problem....it works on your neck really well too, I would apply it from just below your eyelids down to the underside of your neck, try a 1/2 pippette per side, it will burn, worse teh first few times then not so bad. That A2 gear face fat is a bitch!
 
thx9000 said:


I knew that! But, Lorenz was a frequent guest speaker in grad school so I have an advantage...
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Fractal geometry was invented by 2 professors from
Harvard and Cambridge.

It is used in Cryptographic applications.

Its beyond my level of knowledge.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


Fractal geometry was invented by 2 professors from
Harvard and Cambridge.

It is used in Cryptographic applications.

Its beyond my level of knowledge.

Fonz
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And the Lorenz model is a model of convective thermal energy and a fairly simply fractal to generate with your home PC...

Pretty exiciting stuff if you are into Meteorology and Mathematics...
 
how long do you have to use the yohmiburn before u can come off and get the good face effects? this is a really annoying problem for me every time i bulk up my face gets puffy and its a bitch to get rid of.
 
Depends on how much your skin can tolerate it...if it can tolerate it well then use it the same way you would use it anywhere else, I am not sure about the optimal situation there...but as a basis I'd say use it for 4x a week for 6 weeks and then after 2 weeks off you should see some real change. You'll see it before then too but it takes about 2 weeks it seems to clear all the water out. For me at least.
 
I've been using yohimburn on my chest/abs for the past week or so and it seems that I'm getting fatter. I really hope it's just water. Been using it on my face for the past few days and I dont notice any difference. Actually under my chin it seems to be holding more fat also.

How long should I stay "on" before going off, and then how long should I go off? I was thinking about just using it until I'm out (which will be ALONG time. It doesnt even seem like I've used any in the bottle yet).
 
I will be straightforward, yohimburn is responsible for me having a leaner face than I've had since I can remember giving a shit about having a lean face, including before gear. I could care less about how it works anywhere else, (well except maybe lower abs) but the fact that it does this to my face when Ive hated how puffy my face has been for years naturally and worse from gear is extremely important to me. It may work especially well for me becuase I obviously have alot of A2s on my face judging by the difference my 2-3x a week usage has made, which would explain the puffiness. Like I said, for myself this has been the best face cosmetic enhancer for me other than tanning.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
for those that are concerned with water retention

it WILL be much less of a problem... soon :p
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Definately have to pick up some then when I go back on my diet. As for the face thing. I may try that too but my face always leans out real nicely when I diet down so I'm not sure if I will need it. Plus the breakouts I don't wanna get because I never break out with our without the sauce. We'll see though.
 
btw I noticed that yohimburn cleared up my break outs. Maybe I'm special, I notice that anything that "burns" my face normally clears up break outs too, maybe because it opens the pores but what do I know I'm no dermologist
 
Advaik said:
btw I noticed that yohimburn cleared up my break outs. Maybe I'm special, I notice that anything that "burns" my face normally clears up break outs too, maybe because it opens the pores but what do I know I'm no dermologist
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several of the ingredients have anti bacterial action (aloe and peppermint).. and the hydration/PE effect may affect lipid hardening (ie it may act to break up hard lipids.. which form acne)..

people with sensitive or dry skin, am guessing frackal may fall into this category, may need to use less frequently.. or follow use with a good moisturizer (it can dry skin, even though it has an initial hydration effect)
 
I plan on trying the df formula for natural facial bloat soon...

Question though, i'm going on my first cycle, 400mg cyp x 10 weeks, also be using letro 1mg eod. Can I use the youhimburn while on or should iI wait until after the cycle ? I was thinking maybe the letro and yohimburn would have some synergy with each other. Any ideas ?
 
So what happens when you discontinue its use? Doesn't the puffiness return eventually? You still have the same amount of A2 receptors and your aromatase will be the same (unless using meds permanently).
 
danish424 said:
So what happens when you discontinue its use?immeadiately, for many (even with the DF) even more loss as water levels recede Doesn't the puffiness return eventually?some of the fat may return over time, particularly if poor diet or bulking(test/dbol base) without dex,fem or aroma You still have the same amount of A2 receptors and your aromatase will be the same (unless using meds permanently).not really, see below...
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fuller explanation..

actually the # of a2 receptors is not constant.. nor are aromatase levels.. the lower your bodyfat is plays a big role in both.. obviously bulking immeadiately after fat loss is more likely to restore (at least some) of the adipose tissue.. thus if bulking with test (especially after cutting with obvious A2 issues) the use of an aromatase inhibitor is reccomended... actually when using test for most people at least a low dose aromatase inhibitor is a good idea...

note with fat loss.. local a2 levels and local aromatase production will likely decrease (how much dependent on total fat lost and size of fatty pocket as well as hormone levels.. etc)

of course, for some people, occasional "follow-up" treatments.. may be a necessity..

as you age the addition of an aromatase inhibitor (for medical reasons) is a good idea for many... likely this will become a "semi-standard" prescription (as test is now becoming for those 30-40+).. GH too..

until better, perhaps more root oriented, treatments come along... ??
 
Couple things..have not tried DF yet, cannot yet afford it as saving for cycle. :p

On a bulk cycle I would recommend using it say 1x a week to minimize fat gain...say at the most optimal time, which for me is when I'm using an ECA stack preworkout and I DONT plan on consuming any pre and during workout carbs....also icing the face seems to work, try dipping face into ice water.....my skin is in great shape now and I'm still using yohimburn, though a little less than before but I'm thinking my acne was caused mainly by other things as I have zero acne now...'

For most juicers from what I've seen with how estrogenic fat is deposited in the face and seems to stick around, I'd say the face is the number one place yohimburn is going to change your looks for the better the most, 2 being the lovehandles and abdominal fat tissue.

Most people dont understand what their faces woudl look like lean, that is why you see models with such guant faces, they werent all born like that, they too have to do such methods as topical diuretics (ie prep H /w biodyne) and whatever else they use.

After working at GNC I loathe sounding enthused about any supplement but as I've posted before this fits a key niche in aesthetic improvement. And I've battled with a puffy estrogen ridden face for years and have hated it badly...and posted about it depressed a few times in the past as mine was worse than normal...because of that yohimb. has the vocal support from me that it does....
 
ulter said:
About 2 months.
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Maybe if a gnome used it....... :)

Limiting applications, I got one to last 4 weeks.

I bought 2 of the new DF's btw.

Good stuff.

Much less water retention than the old one.

Still burns like an SOB though.

Fonz
 
ulter said:
If anyone is using it on their face only, which was the question, and going through a bottle in 4 weeks then they are using way too much.
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I guess I should have read your statement a bit better huh?

:) LOL

Fonz
 
For comparison I've been using it on my face and abs on occasion too and mine is only about 1/2 gone. I've been using it since August.
 
Fukkenshredded said:
If you want a lean face, bromocriptine is the answer. Leanness of jaw is a clinical side effect of extended bromo use.
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GH effect..

though with yohimburn this should be acheivable much more rapidly.. and extended use of bromo is not in the cards for most people (its just not pleasant)
 
Fukkenshredded said:
If you want a lean face, bromocriptine is the answer. Leanness of jaw is a clinical side effect of extended bromo use.
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What exactly is Bromocriptine, I dont think I've ever heard of it. Is it OTC?
 
BUTLER said:


What exactly is Bromocriptine, I dont think I've ever heard of it. Is it OTC?
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dopaminergic agonist.. suppresses prolactin.. may increase Gh secretion (likely).. also beneficial effects on leptin profile..

can be a bit harsh
 
macrophage69alpha said:


GH effect..

though with yohimburn this should be acheivable much more rapidly.. and extended use of bromo is not in the cards for most people (its just not pleasant)
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Not pleasant. Could you elaborate on that? I've never really taken a good look at bromo sides before.
 
Also, with bromo, you want to start SMALL. As MP stated, in can get harsh in a hurry. However, if you taper up slowly, the harshness can be avoided for the most part. I have found it to be an effective fat loss aid.
 
I'm going to try it on the lower part of my ass next after my cycle
 
Thats where I need it, I'll send you some before and afters for your website...heheh
 
macrophage69alpha said:
btw- thats the pictoral representation of "thanks, but no thanks"

:p
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Liar, liar......... :)

Fonz
 
lol

nothing to do with this thread but I have to say that I laugh my ass off everytime I read that quote in your sig Fonz.

"comparable to being drop-kicked by God." :FRlol:
 
Oughtta try advertising this stuff as a face slimming agent on model boards if such places exist which my guess is they do
 
I've been using it for about a week now on my face, the Yohimburn DF did a amazingly wierd job of leaning the face and theres no bloat (probably because of the DF). My jawlines are 10x more clear now and overall, my face has gotten noticeably slimmer. It's wierd because I usually don't notice minute changes. I also have to note I've been doing a lot of cardio (for me) while putting this on in the morning, 35 minutes on an incline treadmill so this stuff has a chance to work in the morning. Great job guys!
 
ChrisOh said:
I've been using it for about a week now on my face, the Yohimburn DF did a amazingly wierd job of leaning the face and theres no bloat (probably because of the DF). My jawlines are 10x more clear now and overall, my face has gotten noticeably slimmer. It's wierd because I usually don't notice minute changes. I also have to note I've been doing a lot of cardio (for me) while putting this on in the morning, 35 minutes on an incline treadmill so this stuff has a chance to work in the morning. Great job guys!
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:p
 
ChrisOh said:
I've been using it for about a week now on my face, the Yohimburn DF did a amazingly wierd job of leaning the face and theres no bloat (probably because of the DF). My jawlines are 10x more clear now and overall, my face has gotten noticeably slimmer. It's wierd because I usually don't notice minute changes. I also have to note I've been doing a lot of cardio (for me) while putting this on in the morning, 35 minutes on an incline treadmill so this stuff has a chance to work in the morning. Great job guys!
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Good I was waiting to hear how that version worked
 
Yeah, it's pretty nice, the only problem i have is quite a bit of white chunks in the solution, sometimes it gets stuck in the pipette and blocks the yohimburn. I shake like crazy and there are still a good number of the chunks when I try to draw it up. They're hard too so they dont break apart :( Oh well, small price to pay for results I guess.
 
chris,

crystallized caffeine, the dosage on the newer runs has been cut back.. it was just too much to suspend in solution. though if you warm it up, run it under warm water and then shake they should dissapear..

this is why it a Beta, and not the final version. though if its a real issue contact AF and they will take care of you.

btw- should not in any way effect results
 
I have read enough. I have a fairly lean face. kinda strange fat patterns. Could always have a leaner face though and maybe it will be more dramatic which would be cool i will keep you posted.
 
ChrisOh said:
Yeah, it's pretty nice, the only problem i have is quite a bit of white chunks in the solution, sometimes it gets stuck in the pipette and blocks the yohimburn. I shake like crazy and there are still a good number of the chunks when I try to draw it up. They're hard too so they dont break apart :( Oh well, small price to pay for results I guess.
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LOL

Exact same thing happenned to me with the old Yohimburn.

Just e-mail AF and they'll take care of it.

Damn.....lol What a coincidence.

Fonz
 
ulter does care haha, he's a good bro.

What i did notice is that the peppermint fumes are STRONG so try to keep it away from the eyes as much as possible or you'll start tearing up like crazy.
 
Now is bromocriptine a steroid? Also Yohimburn works only when your cutting? Frackel is your face still lean? Wtf is a pipete(ignorance)? Now like the question before , it does keep your face lean after discontinued use but over time you might after to reapply?
 
Xiodus said:
Now is bromocriptine a steroid?
no. it is dopamine receptor agonist.. its suppresses prolactin, affect leptin and increases gh(slightly) it is a derivative of the ergot of rye (a fungus).

Also Yohimburn works only when your cutting?it works all the time, though with respect to FAT LOSS it would be fair to say that it is far and away better to use when cutting.. its what is reccomended

Frackel is your face still lean?have to ask him.. but that seems to be what he has indicated recently

Wtf is a pipete(ignorance)? the thin tube that you draw the yohimburn into to measure and apply it.. though the application format will likely change to pump application..

Now like the question before , it does keep your face lean after discontinued use but over time you might after to reapply?really no long term feedback, though if you gain weight again.. you MAY have to use it again.. ie.. if you bulk particularly under certain circumstances
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Yes face is still lean.... really did not use that much yohimburn anyway, only once or twice a week....I am very much looking forward to after my next cycle, where I'm going to use a whole bottle of Yohimburn DF on my face, plus some bromo which should help recovery and face leanness...I think the results will be impressive..have to research bromo still... my testing of insulin has skewed my results because insulin seems to be a real subq water retention causer.. .. yohimburn is fun to play with, i use it for a preworkout stimulant too by applying it to my hiplines which have become noticeably more defined....i think i respond very well to yohimburn which is good, and makes sense because my while I am always lean, my fat patterning is very estrogenic...face, lower butt/ham tie in, etc...ephedrine seems to keep it off my abs though....once read I believe that ephedrine will somehow shift you bodies fat patterning over a period of time
 
hmmm, I think i'm sold. I've pretty lean but my face could get leaner deffinetaly. So it is recommended that you take it for 6 weeks you are saying and there will be an initial reverse effect until your face gets use to it? How much is a bottle? And yohimburn df is a newer version of yohimburn? What color is this substance, should you apply it at night or what? Thanks
---PEACE---Mad Max
 
Mad Max said:
hmmm, I think i'm sold. I've pretty lean but my face could get leaner deffinetaly. So it is recommended that you take it for 6 weeks you are saying and there will be an initial reverse effect until your face gets use to it? not exactly sure what you mean here How much is a bottle?69$ for the DF and 59$ for the original And yohimburn df is a newer version of yohimburn?yes it is probably better suited for facial use and has several added benefits with respect to water retention and skin health What color is this substance, should you apply it at night or what?it is a relatively clear gel with white suspension... it can be applied at any time it will not give your face a strange color or cast (if that was what your were getting at.. most people apply 1/2hr before cardio or before bed.. Thanks
---PEACE---Mad Max
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:p
 
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I do think this should stay at the top, people would be absolutely shocked at how much better they look without the fat face.
 
DOSTINEX?

I've read that dostinex is better than bromo at preventing gyno caused by fina or deca.

Is it also better than bromo for fatloss? And leaning up the face?

I know dostinex is quite a bit more expensive than bromo. But I've read that it is more effective at preventing fina/deca gyno ,and the sides are less harsh.

If it is also more effective than bromo for fatloss ,and leaning up the face I will gladly fork out the extra cash for dostinex.




soshesblowinme
 
Re: DOSTINEX?

soshesblowinme said:
I've read that dostinex is better than bromo at preventing gyno caused by fina or deca.

Is it also better than bromo for fatloss? And leaning up the face?

soshesblowinme
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as to which (bormo or dostinex) is better or stronger...

? its not know how effective either really is
? though with respect to this, it work differetnly than yohimburn (this is likely at least partly related to GH increase..)

the wotk differently..

dost is a DRUI
bromo is a DA
 
: Obes Res 1995 Nov;3 Suppl 4:561S-568S Related Articles, Links


Topical fat reduction.

Greenway FL, Bray GA, Heber D.

Department of Medicine, UCLA School of Medicine, Torrance, CA, USA.

The fat on women's thighs is more difficult to mobilize due to increased alpha-2 adrenergic receptor activity induced by estrogen. Lipolysis can be initiated through adipocyte receptor stimulation (beta adrenergic) or inhibition (adenosine or alpha-2 adrenergic) or by inhibition of phosphodiesterase. Since many women desire regional thigh fat loss, a series of clinical trials were initiated using one thigh as a double-blinded control. Trial #1: Five overweight women had injections of isoproterenol at intervals around the thigh three times a week for 4 weeks with diet and walking. Trial #2: Five overweight woman had ointment containing forskolin, yohimbine and aminophylline applied to the thigh five times a week for 4 weeks after hypertonic warm soaks with a diet and walking. Trial #3: Eighteen overweight women were divided into three groups of six and trial #2 was repeated with each agent alone vs. placebo using forskolin, yohimbine or aminophylline in separate ointments. Trial #4: Thirty overweight women had 10% aminophylline ointment applied to the thigh five times a week for 6 weeks with diet and walking. Chemistry panel, theophylline level and patch testing were performed. Trial #5: Twelve women had trial #4 repeated with 2% aminophylline cream without a diet or walking. Trial #6: Trial #5 was repeated with 0.5% aminophylline cream. All trials except yohimbine ointment gave significantly more girth loss from the treated thigh (p < 0.05 to p < 0.001). Chemistry panel showed no toxicity. Theophylline was undetectable and patch testing was negative. We conclude that topical fat reduction for women's thighs can be achieved without diet or exercise.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Controlled Clinical Trial

PMID: 8697059 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
dost is a DRUI
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Dostinex is super expensive, not to mention rare, even with a script. The most potent DA reuptake inhibtor ever made was an antidepressant called amineptine (brand name: survector). This was perhaps the most effective antidepressant ever made, but was discontiuned due to patent expiry. I have no idea whether it had any facial leaning effects. By the way why do DA agonists all tend to burn off facial fat? Before, I thought it was the lack of eating which these drugs typically induce. Is there something else going on here?
 
soshesblowinme said:
I'm cunfooseded.:confused:
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1 is a dopaminergic receptor agonist
the other stops the breakdown of dopamine

they are both effective.. as to how effective for fat loss.. it will vary.. 3 main effects.. appetite suppression, influence on leptin and some increase in GH (this will vary and may or may not be significant)

as to leaning the face (general fat loss and perhaps the GH effect)
 
macro,

My GF is using the Yohimburn DF on her face about 2 or 3 times a week. She likes to; use it, Tan, and then do cardio. she as not had any problems, but just want to makes sure that this was ok?

thanks.
 
: Obes Res 1995 Nov;3 Suppl 4:561S-568S Related Articles, Links


Topical fat reduction.

Greenway FL, Bray GA, Heber D.

Department of Medicine, UCLA School of Medicine, Torrance, CA, USA.

The fat on women's thighs is more difficult to mobilize due to increased alpha-2 adrenergic receptor activity induced by estrogen. Lipolysis can be initiated through adipocyte receptor stimulation (beta adrenergic) or inhibition (adenosine or alpha-2 adrenergic) or by inhibition of phosphodiesterase. Since many women desire regional thigh fat loss, a series of clinical trials were initiated using one thigh as a double-blinded control. Trial #1: Five overweight women had injections of isoproterenol at intervals around the thigh three times a week for 4 weeks with diet and walking. Trial #2: Five overweight woman had ointment containing forskolin, yohimbine and aminophylline applied to the thigh five times a week for 4 weeks after hypertonic warm soaks with a diet and walking. Trial #3: Eighteen overweight women were divided into three groups of six and trial #2 was repeated with each agent alone vs. placebo using forskolin, yohimbine or aminophylline in separate ointments. Trial #4: Thirty overweight women had 10% aminophylline ointment applied to the thigh five times a week for 6 weeks with diet and walking. Chemistry panel, theophylline level and patch testing were performed. Trial #5: Twelve women had trial #4 repeated with 2% aminophylline cream without a diet or walking. Trial #6: Trial #5 was repeated with 0.5% aminophylline cream. All trials except yohimbine ointment gave significantly more girth loss from the treated thigh (p < 0.05 to p < 0.001). Chemistry panel showed no toxicity. Theophylline was undetectable and patch testing was negative. We conclude that topical fat reduction for women's thighs can be achieved without diet or exercise.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Controlled Clinical Trial

PMID: 8697059 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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So is this saying that everything EXCEPT the yohimbine cream worked?
 
soshesblowinme said:





So is this saying that everything EXCEPT the yohimbine cream worked?
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thats absolutely what the study (if you can call it that) says.

whats really amusing is that several companies use that study to sell products that contain yohimbine. Guess reading is not their strong suit.

the study is, as you might have guessed, flawed.

one does not measure fat loss by girth.. EVER.. super hokey science (how it got published???... must be weak or no peer review)

of course diuretics will decrease water and thus girth. Yohimbine on the other hand is an anti-diuretic and thus even with fat loss will increase or "maintain" girth. In some cases up to 2wk (hence part of the reason for the evolution of the DF)..
 
hvywghtchamp said:
How long do the results last using the yohimburn on your face before having to treat it again?
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really varies.. though unless bulking or over eating results should be semi permanent (ie. the fat loss will be "real"... variations in genetics, diet and enviroment{estro etc..} will determine if and how quickly fat returns)..

note fat loss (in theory.. somewhat now substantiated by anecdotal reports) from this area should last "longer" than it normally would.. than if you had lost the fat from the area with using yohimburn (partly because you would most likely have had to sacrifice more muscle to achieve the lean state that would make that possible)

BASICALLY ITS AS PERMANENT AS ANY FAT LOSS.. LIKELY MORE PERMANENT THAN IT WOULD BE UNDER OTHER CONDITIONS.
 
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