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fbodyguy02
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After reading all the Derms threads I would like to know what REALLY WORKS for everyone here for PCT.
Clomid vs. Derma for PCT
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fbodyguy02
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dal022 said:
Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
needtogetaas
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well it would seem derma has only bin out for a month so not the right time for a thread like this.
Yep, Derma has only been out for about a month… so I don’t think anyone could really accurately comment on this.
Some guys like the idea of running DHEA for PCT, others don’t. There are pro’s and con’s to it. That’s why we are releasing the new Derma Sustain without the DHEA and Preg. Its going to have a higher concentration of aromatase inhibitors and SERMs that will act like clomid or nolva at the ER, and hence will be even more targeted for PCT users.
Clomid and nolva are toxic drugs. Period. I suppose if your not prone to the sexual, emotional and visual side effects of Clomid and you don’t mind the extra liver stress and reduced fertility, then clomid/nolva would work fine for PCT.
Choosing Derma Sustain over clomid or nolva is the choice for someone more health conscience who doesn’t mind paying twice the price. We have no doubt that our Phyto-AI complex will work just as well at restoring test compared to clomid or nolva.
-Pp
Some guys like the idea of running DHEA for PCT, others don’t. There are pro’s and con’s to it. That’s why we are releasing the new Derma Sustain without the DHEA and Preg. Its going to have a higher concentration of aromatase inhibitors and SERMs that will act like clomid or nolva at the ER, and hence will be even more targeted for PCT users.
Clomid and nolva are toxic drugs. Period. I suppose if your not prone to the sexual, emotional and visual side effects of Clomid and you don’t mind the extra liver stress and reduced fertility, then clomid/nolva would work fine for PCT.
Choosing Derma Sustain over clomid or nolva is the choice for someone more health conscience who doesn’t mind paying twice the price. We have no doubt that our Phyto-AI complex will work just as well at restoring test compared to clomid or nolva.
-Pp
fbodyguy02
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Primordial Performance said:
Fair enough. I still hope to get some participation in this poll.
tupac said:
Monday bro...
Keep an eye our for the EF newsletter... got a little treat for you guys.
-Pp
I have used clomid with every cycle since 2001. With about 7 cycles. Clomid has always done a great job for me. Now with the addition of hcg I can't amagine anything being any better. I have never used Derma before and do not see any reason to try it at this point with the great result's I'm seeing now with Clomid and hcg.
I'm not saying Derma will not work, I just have no reason to try it. It's very hard to trust all these fly by night supplement company's on the web.
Just my .02
I'm not saying Derma will not work, I just have no reason to try it. It's very hard to trust all these fly by night supplement company's on the web.
Just my .02
needtogetaas
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50mg a day is when people start seeing the most sides.tupac said:
fbodyguy02
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bikercoz said:
That's great news. Sounds like you found a PCT that works for you!
Thanks for sharing.
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fckstick
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bro its not fair to compare them. its no fair to clomid or to derma. derma is new and clomid is tried and true and has been around. derma could turn out to put them all out of use but its yet to be seen. so for now i must mark clomid on your poll. but you should have an answer "i take clomid cause it works but i will try derma if its benefits are continous with bros and it has no sides"
fbodyguy02
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BRUCEY said:
Yea I see your point. I know Derma is new... I should have had offered more options.
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fckstick
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i am a huge clomid hcg advocate. its bruce410 btw. i am just playing nice with derma. so far we have seen nothing negative from it.
needtogetaas
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hmmmmmmmBRUCEY said:
needtogetaas
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what happen bruce you are no longer bruce410...but you have 2 brucy accountsBRUCEY said:
the one you are using here says you are a 2001 poster yet your other account says you are Join Date: 24-Jan-2005.whats this trickery lol one is "BRUCEY"
the other is just"brucey"makes it hard to navigate the system and find all your post but its still doable.
did you have this brucey account back in 2001 and just never posted or is this a
admin mad account.
just a secound ago this account was non plat now its plat now the name is upper case like the other one.
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fckstick
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dude i don't know i could not get in all last night. so i tried to make a new account. now i have no k my join date is 01 and when i try making an avi it won't let me. also i had to go plat in order to post. all cause i tried changing my password last night.
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fckstick
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come to think of it i can't see any of your fucking avi's really annoying man. and all of my pms that i was waiting for answers on as my other name are not working. what a bitch.
needtogetaas
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it was the name change bro...when ever you change your name all kinds of weird shit happens.its like when you change your name you rip a hole in the fabric of the ef vortex.some people lose there plat,some have lots years of post,some lose there hole dame account and become a new member...but I have never seen a person get a older start date like 2001 when there making a new account....only thing it could be is there was a old poster back in 2001 and when you changed you name to his on your old account it fucked every thing up.lol ask admin to just transfer all you old post to this new account and role with the 2004 join date lol makes you look like you have bin here for 6 years now your a super vet lol and you get all the extray k power points from it to.BRUCEY said:
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fckstick
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lol. i was so frustrated just to get back on so i am not gonna go through all of those hoops now. i pmed aap he'll get back to me i'm sure
Biased opinion here.
I absolutely hate f*cking Clomid.
I always thought that Chrysin was an excellant natural anti-e. The problem has always been the delivery. Adding biopreine solved that problem. A transdermal administration is another solution.
Naturally, I like "Post Cycle" because it has a complete arsenal for PCT. At any rate, I would use Post Cycle or Derma over pro-hormone crap like AIFM or 6-OXO any day of the week.
I absolutely hate f*cking Clomid.
I always thought that Chrysin was an excellant natural anti-e. The problem has always been the delivery. Adding biopreine solved that problem. A transdermal administration is another solution.
Naturally, I like "Post Cycle" because it has a complete arsenal for PCT. At any rate, I would use Post Cycle or Derma over pro-hormone crap like AIFM or 6-OXO any day of the week.
njmuscleguy
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I've tried Nolva... it didn't work, and it killed my libido.... for numerous cycles, I tried different variations of HCG + clomid + AI... the best PCT, which still wasn't sufficient enough to help me recover, was 500iu HCG ED for 10 days before cycle's end, 50mg ED clomid for 4-6 weeks, and aromasin. I hate the sides: HCG gives me severe acne, clomid gives me the worst abdominal cramps, not to mention the emotional sides.
I'm a big-time skeptic with OTC, having tried tons of them over the years. But that being said, I have a bottle of dermacrine waiting to go starting this weekend. I'll use it as directed and then post up my honest, unbiased results. I figure, nothing else has worked, so I have nothing to lose!
I'm a big-time skeptic with OTC, having tried tons of them over the years. But that being said, I have a bottle of dermacrine waiting to go starting this weekend. I'll use it as directed and then post up my honest, unbiased results. I figure, nothing else has worked, so I have nothing to lose!
needtogetaas
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good shit bro....njmuscleguy said:
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Mr.X
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fbodyguy02 said:
how about derma + clomid together...IMO that's a good combo.
needtogetaas
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bin seeing a lot of people that are going to try this to....Mr.X said:
Yeah they can get clomid from AG and then the dermacrine from another EF sponsor as well....Everyone wins....LOL
I would like to see someone do the dermacrine during pct with Bloodwork afterwards....Not a spit test. Im ALL for alternatives especially if they are backed by bloodwork.{The true test}
I would like to see someone do the dermacrine during pct with Bloodwork afterwards....Not a spit test. Im ALL for alternatives especially if they are backed by bloodwork.{The true test}
needtogetaas
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there was or still is people doing this.I heard dialton is doing it.medical was doing some thing with it and some others.things take time I guess.beleive me I know pp ant afraid of blood test.....they only went with saliva test because its much easer that way.muscleup said:
njmuscleguy
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muscleup said:
As with all PCT's, I will get bloodwork after I'm done with this one .... I know exactly what my levels have been in the past with clomid & nolva PCT's...not impressive! So I will be able to see how derma compares
needtogetaas
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true it always helps to have good bro's do blood test.muscleup said:
njmuscleguy
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muscleup said:
anywhere between 175 to the mid-200's....
needtogetaas
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well you be using the new derma sustain or the boost for pct.njmuscleguy said:
Clomid because it's time-tested and proven to work. I don't get any negative sides - most people who don't frontload will not see any negative side effects actually.
Not to mention how much cheaper Clomid is.... it's a no-brainer.
Not to mention how much cheaper Clomid is.... it's a no-brainer.
gabulldogs02
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Clomid has worked well for me in the past, but the sides are killer for me.Emotional,bad acne,blurred vision. I'd say its worth a try. If it doesnt work,i'll definitely let you know guys know.
Clomid doesn't work on everybody. On some people it can have the reverse effect. Remember, it's an estrogen. At least natural anti-e's aren't as harsh or have the negative sides.
needtogetaas
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long term dhea use can be but thats why you only use derma boost for 3 weeksJeremyD said:
and a another reason they are making derma sustain with out the dhea and half the price.
njmuscleguy
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muscleup said:
You're right, and it's definitely a consideration... I've already talked to my doctor about it... thing is, I want to be sure whether my test levels are just normally on the low side or if it's just the constant cycling... my natty test levels have never been high, always border-line normal... but never as low as what they've been during my last few PCT's... and yah, I DO feel like dirt when my test levels are that low!
njmuscleguy
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needtogetaas said:
been instructed to start off with the original formula for 2 weeks then switch to the new formula for 4 weeks
needtogetaas
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thats cool.njmuscleguy said:
ricanx99
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I've never done any real "cycle" so far in my training, but I have used the Derm and loved the effects of it. As Eric and Needto already mentioned, it hasn't been out long enough to give it a fair chance. But I used it for 4 weeks and had great results. At the same time, I've never used Clomid so I can't say anything against it and also because I'm not 100% familiar with it. But from what I've read and understand, the Derm would be my choice because of the lack of negative side effects. It seems that with Clomid that there are too many risks to run it PCT.
Vascular Freak
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Mr.X said:
i'll be doin that for sure along with hcg and igf....can't lose!
krishna said:
+1
JeremyD said:
Depends on who you talk to, some guys have had such an increase in test from applying dermacrine to the shoulders (where the DHEA gets converted to test by enzymes as it passes through the skin) that its like taking low dose test during PCT. The idea was that you put it on your stomach and legs for PCT where it doesn't convert to test while passing the skin. Dermacrine was designed to be a "catch all" that worked as a test booster and worked for some PCT users well but for others jacked test too high, and is probably better suited as a bridge product or stand alone test booster. Thats why they're comin out with the new sustain, should work better for PCT for a lot of users without the DHEA at all.
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the_clockwork
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any others have results of derma?
the_clockwork said:
I had a great experience with it as a stand alone supp, been natty for a while. Biggest things I noticed was increased sex drive and assertiveness. I had some real strong irritability week 2, other than that I was good in that department. I was wrestling at the time really focused so no time for weights, so can't really say if strength went up or not. I did feel a real strong increase in stamina, it was winning me matches against better wrestlers who were tiring out first. I loved it for that and I think a lot of that might have been the resveratrol, great for endurance. I am going to go on the sustain in a week or so, I really want to get my distance running up, and I think the resveratrol is the key.
