Clomid -- Especially Bad For Guys Over 35

[Nelson Montana]

So you would avoid clomid altogether Nelson? Apart from being tearful, is there anything negative that would hinder recovery? Not sure i understand whats 'bad' about it.

And what protocol would you advise for the unleashed/postcycle, brigde and gear with no clomid? Have you recovered well off this?

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Clomid can centainly hinder recovery for two reasons. First off, it's an estrogen and can cause estrogenic side effects. Seconly, even if it works, it'a drug and the body becamse dependant on it. The results don't last . You still need to function on yur own and the Clomid simply delays the process. This is something that no one who sites studies fails to see. THERE IS NOT ONE STUDY THAT SHOWS CLOMID CREATES AN INCREASE IN TESTOSTERONE 2 MONTHS AFTER CESSATION OF USE.

As for nolvadex, it does nothing to recover the HPTA. That's a complete myth which as been disproven years ago but internet gurus still promote it.

 

[UA_Iron]

I watched the movie "Love Actually" with some chick about 8 years ago or so while on Clomid. Almost couldn't contain tears. Bad. Idea.

 

[stevesmi]

clomid and nolva are so outdated its funny.

if you must use clomid for goodness sakes run a small dose only.. whats with the guys running 300mg a day or 200mg a day. give me a break.. so using more is gonna make you recover faster? don't get the logic there. if it makes you feel like a bitch how is that recovering? you want to feel GOOD during pct so you keep working out not feel like a dickless female going through her period

hcg/HMG blast before pct. then DAA, test infusion with low dose ostarine is my new strategy for pct and then bridge with natty supps .. you not only feel good but you hold your gains. if you want to use a small dose of clomid go for it but i am certain if you blast with hcg/hmg your LH will bounce unless you killed your HPTA will a long cycle.. I have been evolving slowly away from clomid.. if you are unsure then be your own guinea pig and run bloods and see how you recover with clomid vs. no clomid. i don't think if you follow that protocol i outlined above you will see much of a difference in your recovery times

but like i said if you ran deca, tren and test for 2 straight years don't come back bitching to me that you didn't recover... nothing will recover you easily after that nonsense.. probably gonna need 6 months of pct to come back

 

[Lefty78]

So what are your thoughts on Torem for pct then?

Also, just seems weird, but why are all of you guys who are staples in this forum done a 180 almost overnight? If you check out posts from just a few weeks back a few of you now stating no serm is required, you were suggesting a serm of some matter for pct. It's hard to understand why all the ntbm and Mrsupps reps changed their opinions altogether at the same time.

 

[bigbassturd]

Nelson has said serms are useless for as long as I can remember bro, and steve just said he's slowly moving away from it....

 

[stevesmi]

So what are your thoughts on Torem for pct then?

Also, just seems weird, but why are all of you guys who are staples in this forum done a 180 almost overnight? If you check out posts from just a few weeks back a few of you now stating no serm is required, you were suggesting a serm of some matter for pct. It's hard to understand why all the ntbm and Mrsupps reps changed their opinions altogether at the same time.

re-read my post again.

I said if you run clomid run a LOW DOSE. to many on the internet low dose means 200mg a day, to me low dose means 12mg a day.. see the problem now?

and I have never said to run nolva ever ever ever on here.. my first injectable cycle i ran nolva for pct and it was awful so I have always been against nolva. reading comprehension fail on your part

 

[dusteefartz]

I stopped my Cloimd today. just gonna take the other PCT items I have.

 

[Lefty78]

What are your thoughts on Torem? Don't see too many guys mention that, only Nolva and clomid are always brought up.

 

[patternsco]

i thought ostarine was suppressive?

 

[Raff]

Taking Torem now as part of my PCT. Did a 90/60/60/30/15 dosing. I'm in the last week of it now. I've felt great, sex drive has been normal (anything better than NO sex drive on PCT is good for me). However, I had a migraine the whole first week which I think was related to the high dose, but it went away once I came down to 60mg. I've felt great on it otherwise. Kept most of my gains. Used Torem along with unleashed/Post cycle & DAA.
It did nothing to reverse my little gyno lump, which I thought it would do, like Nolva usually does, but it's ok. Trying to avoid estrogen rebound so staying away from Nolva from now on.