Clen Tolerance Question

[atown777]

Hey hey, so I picked up a grip of Clen from Mexico "Spiropent" brand. Is this stuff way underdosed? I am on my 7th day of taking it, 1st cycle of Clen ever and I can feel the effects, I'm hot and I sweat more and feel kinda energized but I dont have the shakes or anything. This is not even anywhere near what I expected as far as what I have read about it being so hardcore and people shaking after only one 20mcg tab. Do I just have a high tolerance?

It seems to be working. My resting heartrate is 115 and I only have to walk on the treadmill at 3.5mph to get my heartrate to 135.

Should I stay at 160mcg? Sounds weird but I wanted the shakes!

 

[annabolick]

yeah it must be an individual thing. I got really bad shakes from around 150mcg and it was even a liquid which is weaker. Are you taking ketofin with your cycle or are you alternating between ECA and Clen every two weeks?

 

[atown777]

what's up annabolick, I am doing 7 days of 160mcg Clen, and then switching to ECA for a week (25/200/1 aspirin) and then I'll go back to Clen 160mcg for another 7 days then back to ECA for another 7 days. I'm pretty lean but I have a few pounds of very stubborn fat covering my abs. My diet is perfect, my training and cardio is as disciplined as a Nazi so it is really frustrating. It is slowly starting to come off. Im also on day 21 of Winstrol 50mg ED to help retain strength and muscle. The Clen really makes me weak which is why Im only doing 7 days then switching to ECA rather than the standard 2 weeks on/2 weeks off routine with the Clen. 7 days ago I also just started 450mg Test Enth weekly stacked with 400mg EQ weekly. If in 3 weeks my abs are showing I will immediately ramp up the calories and slowly start my bulking cycle. If I still have some fat to lose in 3 weeks when the Test/EQ kicks in then I will simply continue cutting. I am going to wrap up this cycle with 50mg Anavar ED. How does that sound?

 

[annabolick]

what up atown.....yeah that cycle sounds real good. I myself tend to be more "old school". I'll run the bulking cycle then cut when i'm done. but I tend to put on a lot of unwanted weight. I think my next one is definitely going to be more on the lines of yours. I would like to stay somewhat lean during my cycle. It is a bitch losing all that damn cycle fat.

So are you running the clen and eca with your test cycle?

Yeah that last layer of fat on your abs is most likely a cause of your diet. what do you mean by your diet is perfect? example?

 

[atown777]

In the past I went old school too. Ran bulking cycle with no regards to added fat and then hated spending so much time trimming down afterwards. I honestly feel that a shredded 175-185 looks a hell of a lot better than a smooth undefined 200+. Everyone seems to be all about size these days. I give a shit what the scale says, Im more about quality than quantity. Some of the biggest "looking" guys I know weigh under 200 and look yoked because of the low bodyfat %. I am staying on the Clen/ECA routine through my test/EQ cycle yes. Here is my current cutting diet, tell me what you think? I am 5'10 170lbs, bodyfat probably 10%. My goal weight is to be (10% Bodyfat or less) under at 185 lbs. I was at 175lbs with abs a year ago, then I moved to Colorado and me and my wife had a baby and I stopped training cold turkey and diet and everything just went to shit. (I got fat, my wife looks great, funny how that worked huh considering she is the one that had the baby and I'm the one who got fat)

*530AM-6AM morning cardio, sometimes I jog outdoors, sometimes I do treadmill and sometimes I do upright exercise bike. I usually burn 250-300 calories my morning session
*645AM 2.5 scoops whey protein w/2scoops BCAA & L-Arginine, 1/2 cup raw oats, 1 banana all blended with water, 500 Calories
*9:30AM 1 grilled, boneless/skinless chicken breast or 4oz flank steak w/broccoli or piece of yam 375 calories
*12:30PM 1 large pouch of tuna 240 calories
*3PM pre-work out shake 2.5 scoops whey protein, 1 banana 375 Calories
*4:30PM gym 4 days a week weight training followed by 25-30 minutes cardio, 3 days a week are my cardio only days I do 45 mins to an hour cardio I burn 300-500 calories on cardio only days and 200 cals doing cardio after weights
*6PM post workout shake 2.5 scoops whey protein with 2 scoops BCAA & L-Arginine, mixed in water 275 calories
*7PM Dinner - grilled Salmon, Ahi, Sea Bass or chicken or flank steak with broccoli 400 calories
total calories is 2165 less 300-500 calories burned daily through my cardio depending on whether I was able to do 2 sessions that day which I usually do.
what do you think? I have never had this type of problem trimming down. I recently just got complete bloodwork done before starting the Clen/ECA and I'm 100% healthy and impressed the shit out of my doctor with how low my blood pressure was (hence the reason I felt clen wouldnt be a big strain on me) My testosterone was extremely low at only 61. That's the only thing that sounded shady to me. Could my lack of proper PCT 2 years ago cause my low test levels or was it because the Winstrol shut me down? I didnt get my test levels checked until I was 2 weeks into doing winny only without the test and eq

 

[annabolick]

first off, I have to give you props on the cardio work!! That is personally my biggest downfall. It sounds a little weird that with all the cardio you do and the strict diet your on that your having problems with even a small amount of fat. So this leads me to believe that maybe we should take a look at your workout. Have you tried adjusting your rest periods between sets? I just read an article on IFBB bodybuilder Kai Green doesn't even do cardio. His workout sessions are so intense and his times are really short between sets. I am not saying by any means throw out the cardio. But if you could try shortening some rest times, upping your intensity another notch, it may work out for you. So one week you could focus on your regular routine with cardio, and then the next, cut out some if not all cardio and get it straight from lifting? just a suggestion...

Your diet does look pretty damn good..is this your diet while on or off aas?..how is it going to change once your on cycle??


regarding low testosterone it could be a few different things. First and foremost it will obviously decline with age. So if you are older it may be the issue. Also if you were on an extended cycle, I would consider that a cycle over 16 weeks, and you just stopped with absolutely no pct. It could possibly shut off your nuts (natural testosterone production). But luckily I have never heard of that happening although theoretically it could.

I would have to say that it was the winny for sure. the problem was your test was while you were on something, so you won't know for sure if something is wrong until your off. I would say run your cycle, pct properly and then worry about your test if it is still really low.

 

[atown777]

I feel you, I have never heard of anyone doing as much cardio as I do and the felt NOT melting off. That's why I got bloodwork done. I simply dont understand what the hell is going on. I dont half ass anything either. When I say I do cardio I mean I am sweating and working hard. My endurance and stamina are top notch. I can go hard for 30 minutes or I can do a moderate pace for an hour. I try doing intervals. Jesus, I dont understand it. My diet couldnt get any more disciplined. I dont even drink soda or juice. I rarely even drink milk. I only drink water and lots of it. This doesnt make any sense to me. I have never done an extended cycle. Longest cycle's I have ever run were 12 weeks. My diet is always clean like this whether Im "On" or "Off" fortunately I really dont care for junk food. I got fat in Colorado because I was working 70-80 hours a week and didnt have time to cook my meals or exercise so I was eating fast food just because it was easy. The winstrol has to be the reason my test level came back so low. I look a hell of a lot better now and have trimmed most of the fat so I think instead of worrying about it I'm going to up the calories now and use the Test/EQ to add some size. No point in wasting the gear. Maybe my body needs a break from all the cardio and cutting. I did trim about 15lbs of fat while at the same time adding a nice muscle base to work with again. Thank God for muscle memory. After I finish the Test/EQ (I'm on day 8 or 9 now) I'll go back to cutting. I'm dropping the winstrol when I hit day 21 of the Test/EQ. I think Im just pushing myself too hard and just get frustrated in the process. I'm gonna cut out the morning cardio sessions and just do 25 mins of cardio after weights and maybe 2 str8 cardio sessions on non-weight training days. My buddy doesnt do cardio at all and he rocks a 6 pack without even flexing. ahhhh Genetics!