CLEN- better vs Estrogen fat or Cortisol fat

[jobe916]

test-monkey, you are correct in assuming that an insulin spike is one of the most effective anti-catabolic responces we can induse on our body, insulin will basically cram as much carbs and blood as it can into muscle.. infact it is SO strong it robs the carbs that your brain demands for normal function, thus making slin cycles extreemly dangerous to the average lifter.. you should have years of experiance and many cycles under your belt before using slin.. i also strongly disagree and question the source of the info that buckwheat1 posted (no flame intended buckwheat1). as for caffeine, the effect of being a CNS stimulant far outweighs its effect of raising cortisol, if it didn't, why would fat loss producst containing caffeine, ephedrine, and synephrin be as popular as they are? NOW.. addmitedly, most are complete crap, BUT..since cortisol has a great ability to breakdown muscle protein (which is a much greater effect on body tone/muscularity than it's ability to but a few extra carbs into the blood stream) lowering your cortisol is the number 1 way to keep down any catabolic responce in your body. Some parts of what buckwheat1 posted that are correct is that cortisol is the hormone release when you are stressed.. this is a huge factor, mental stress can make your gains go into perminant hibernation if you don't learn how to 'chill out', there are foods that will raise insulin and cortisol, and lastly, the greatest way that caffeine raises cortisol is usually when people take a caffeine supplement (diet pill) it is usually parallel a hypocaloric, low carb diet.. your body want's to feed it's self somehow so it uses it's own resources.. and this is why it's not that great for bb'ing.. cortisol will attack your muscle AND attempt to store carbs as fat in the addipose around the 'gut' area.. this is where the cardio comes in.

I know this is a generic and vague responce but I just wanted to make the situation clear about cortisol, it is just as important as actually showing up to the gym. If anyone wants any further detail, feel free to pm me. If not.. look up certain functions of the endocrin system dealing with corticotropin (CRH) corticosteriods (Prednison) and the corticoadrenal axis to start ....

 

[b1ewsw32]

Yes..Cortisol is defenitely a double-edged sword. Too little can cause fatigue,emotional instability, and aching joints like a 90 year old arthritic patient on a gram of stanozolol a week.
This resembles symtoms of addisons disease, which is opposite of cushing's disease which can give you the pear shaped abdominal prominence as described by Buckwheat1.
Excessive cotisol can be very detrimental to the brain, and has been shown to cause brain damage, particularly in the hippocampal neurons in the brain,which is the main processing/compiling area responsible for collecting visual and auditory information from the various lobes of the cerebrum, and then condensing them into long term memories.
As I explained this before, we typically see this in patients on high dose,long term coticosteroid therapy.
Despite anabolics exhibiting a favourable anabolic/catabolic ratio,high androgens that can cause cns overstimulation can cause a stress reaction which can cause excessive cortisol secretion. This is why ssri's and snri's have been used successfully to control and reverse damage to the hipocampus.Also as many board members are aware Diazepam and other benzo's can reduce cortisol.
Natural strategies for controlling cortisol would be to avoid unnecessary long term stress,avoid dieting year round.Keeping carb intake to 300gms. unless doing a show.Get plenty of sleep as long term insomnia and lack of sleep defenitely increases cortisol. Avoid overtraining!!! Anabolicaly enhanced or not.
Supplements which can be used are vitamin c(3gms daily),melatonin which is a metabolite of serotonin, and also supresses it via increasing sleep eficiency.Phosphatidylserine is very affective and is in most cort-bloc formulations.However one must be careful not to exceed 800mgs.more than 3x/week as pseudo-addison symtoms may occur.
Finally drugs should be a last resort. RU-486(mifepristone) and Cytadren(aminogluthetamide) for cushings...anti-e as well,however start low and titrate very gradually.
Peace out....B32

 

[test-monkey]

Originally posted by jobe916 ]test-monkey, you are correct in assuming that an insulin spike is one of the most effective anti-catabolic responces we can induse on our body, insulin will basically cram as much carbs and blood as it can into muscle.. infact it is SO strong it robs the carbs that your brain demands for normal function, thus making slin cycles extreemly dangerous to the average lifter.. you should have years of experiance and many cycles under your belt before using slin..

I wasn't talking about taking slin post-workout I ment insulin spike as in a natural insulin spike by eating high GI carbs and and simple sugars like oj.

 

[geoboy]

Cortisol fat typically center belly, estrogen at love handles, lower back (chime in if disagree).

does clen target one preferentially over the other?

Hey, what the $^%$#^ happened to my thread ? J/K.

Lots of great info here.
Var is well documented to preferentially target abdominal and visceral fat, but haven't run across anything addressing Clen's preference. Any anecdotal experience welcome.

VJ the more natural approach is prob the best long term, and healthier like you say, but EC is just so damn easy and effective. I haven't yet jumped on the Clen train, but I'm gonna give it a shot to compare it to EC (no A).