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ChefWide - Gimme some tips on Cheesecake

That recipe you have there is pretty idiot friendly, you should do fine... er... that didn't sound right.... ;) ;)

<Take Two:>

Are you dead set on cheese cake? I have a quick easy recipe for a Jack Daniels Truffle Torte that may be the most chocolately heart clogger in the world, if you are up for it. A bit more challenging than that linked recipe, but you make the call. As far as gotchyas, let the creamcheese and eggs come to room temp before you start the whole process (just take em out that morning and leave them on the counter for a few hours, no worries) that will prevent the melted chocolate from turning into chocolate chips when you add it to cold creamcheese.

so: cheesecake? no problem. Truffle tort? sick but maybe better for another time when you can fuck around and build some chops.

cheers.

chef
 
Thanks for the tips for room temperature, that's one I didn't know. Last time I had a recipe with cream cheese I did a few seconds in the micro to save time. Probably not the best idea, but it turned out well enough.

The recipe you mention intrigues me. Do you mind?
 
Y_Lifter said:
water bath in the oven ?
Use genuine Philly Cream Cheese vs cheap store brand
Springform pan

water bath is placing the springform pan in a roast pan that is full of boiing water and usually has a cloth on the bottom (in the water) it is supposed to evenly distribute the heat through the cake
 
Keeps it from burning up on bottom with the moisture and also even heat yes..

You can use any shallow pan that the springform will fit into..
shallow.. maybe 1 inch of water.
 
Y, good points all.

Water bath is good, but most springform pans have the tendency to leek over time, so try this before puttin the pan in the bath: before filling the pan with batter/crust, turn it upside down and lay a sheet of aluminum foil over the inverted pan, forming it over the edges with yoru hands. Flip it over and trim off the excess with scissor. Voila, water proof spring form. Just be sure to adjust you cooking times a bit longer for water bath, as although it does even out the cooking process, it does also slow it down a bit.

Philly, definitely, is there another kind of creamcheese? ;)
 
Originally posted by ChefWide
Philly, definitely, is there another kind of creamcheese? ;)
Yea, nasty ass store brand and YES I can tell the diff...

I should have learned to cook prof. as I enjoy it...

If I could go back in time, I would have gone to cul school me thinks...
 
Well the Jack Daniels recipe has to get posted now. It sounds too interesting to miss.

I think a lot of people overcook cheesecake.
 
Raina said:
Well the Jack Daniels recipe has to get posted now. It sounds too interesting to miss.

I think a lot of people overcook cheesecake.

no shit
and word
 
Good call Y, a little freshness tends to take some of cloying sweetness out of a lot of cheescake recipes.

My 'secret' if I have one about cheese cake (or anything else that calls for vanilla) is to use fresh, fat plump fresh vanilla bean, it is like night and day. a bit expensive for everyday, but who eats this stuff everyday? If you are out to impress, SKIMP ON NOTHING.

For my mom's cheesecake (was on my menu that way for years 'Mom's Cheesecake') I always seperate the eggs and make a quick merrigue and fold it in instead of the straight whole egg method, bake in a water bath and then let cool completely in the oven for at least 4 hours. Light fluffy, awesome. Tedious if you are in hurry and total shite if you like your CK heavy/creamy style.
 
Truffle tort coming, but this bullshit 'work' thing keeps getting in the way of my posts. puh-lease
 
I develop RIA's for a WebDev company and teach Flash Programming / Development

After I got out of the restaurant buiz, I fucked off for a couple of years not knowing what the fuck to do, and just got into animation (which got boring fast) so I taught myself to do this nightmarish job. LOL.

I get to travel (nice) and show the new kids what's what (very nice) and teach (nicest). I miss the kitchen like I miss being seven years old.
 
CipherLock said:
When are we going to meet Jack?

Jack Daniels Truffle Tort
Original Recipe Stolen From Rose Levy B.'s Cake Bible, which you you should own if you are into baking some fantastic stuff. Her recipes are broken down by volume measure (american style) and by weight (euro and professional style, which makes life SO much easier, not to mention that my brother did some of her books photos, so its good to support the home front.)

Ingredients:
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1 lb bittersweet chocolate (no, milk chocolate wont do, and candybars dont count, they often have crap in them like guar gum, parafin, etc that just wont fly)

1/2 lb unsalted butter
6 whole eggs
JD to taste

crust: a basic graham crust, but use oreo crumbs

1 1/2 cups oreo crumbs
Two fat Tbs of unsalted butter
1/2 cup Fine ground tsted pecans

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Read this whole recipe over, get your tools and ingredients measured out into little bowls/coffee cups etc and clean up. THEN lets party:

Tools and set up (mise en place, or Mess In Place ;) ):

Preheat your oven to 425F, with a suitable water bath pan that will fit a good no stick 9" pan or aluminum-waterproofed springform pan. Get a kettle of water on the stove and bring it to a boil, lower to low temp to just keep it hot: a cold water bath will ruin your day. You will need a pot on your stove top with an inch or so of water in bottom to use as the heat end of a double boiler. Do you have a kitchen aid? you should if you dont. indispensible thing a kitchen aid is. You will need a good wire wisk, a rubber spatula, a good large glass or metal mixing bowl.

Prepare the pan: no stick means ALMOST no stick, so rub with butter please. Margarine? you are in the wrong thread.

Ok, I might have missed something, but we will work it out as we go, In a hurry here:

Chocolate Appareil: Chop and melt the chocolate with the butter, either pulse for 15 sec then stir method in the microwave or gently over the hot water, dont let is sit over boiling water, please? Stir in an ounce or so of Jack Set the melted chocolate/butter/jack mixture asside to let cool a bit, but not to room temp. It should remain fluid, but not hot.

Crust: mix the nuts, crumbs and butter until the consistency of moist sand, press into the bottom of the buttered pan and a wee bit up the sides, you know the deal.

Eggs: here is where your kitchen aid will come in handy. Six eggs in the mixing bowl, bowl over the water bath, constantly whisking to froth it while it gets HOT to the touch. This is a little tricky: too hot, you get an omlette, too cool, you wont get enough loft to your eggs. It should just get hot, then immediately transfer the bowl to the kitchen aid at medium high with the whisk attachement. Whisk it until it gets cool, it will tripple in volume and start to deflate slightly, and appear light yellow and shiny. Kind of like a soft peak merrigue, yellow.

Now, lets review. You have:

1. A hot oven.
2. A pan in the oven to use as a water bath
3. A cake pan with your crust in the bottom.
4. A warm choco mixture that tastes like Jack
5. A funky whole egg merrigue that is prolly starting to fall!! Hurry up!!


Fold one third of the eggs into the chocolate, you can be pretty rough here, dont worry. When its mostly folded in, add the next third of the eggs, fold those in a bit more gently, when those are still pretty streaky, add the rest of the eggs. GENLTLY, with love. Scraping up from the bottom, and folding over.

You now have this lighter color and consistency choco mixure, pour it into the pan with the crust, pan goes into the oven into the pan for the water bath, pour the water GENTLY from the kettle into the bigger pan, if you pour too fast you will get water into your cake: BAD.

Close the door and Imediately lower the temp to 385F. you now have five minutes to tear a piece of aluminum foil and rub one side with butter. After five minutes, open the oven and gently lay the butterside down aluminum foil on top of your water bath set up, you really want to avoid having it touch the cake, but just protect it from direct heat from here out. Just make it fast, you dont want to leave the oven open too long and lose all your heat.

10 More minutes is all it takes. Now comes the hard part: get the fucker out of the oven without A) Dropping it, B)burning the crap out of yourself, then dropping it, or C) Dropping it into the water bath, burning the crap out of yourself.

here is my trick: I use two thick DRY dish towels to gently move the water bath onto the open oven door. I pinch the rim of the pan with a good set of kitchen tongs and slip a sturdy metal grill spatula under the cake pan and lift it up and out right onto the range top (not the hot part ;) ) then you can take the bath and pour it out, and do as you must to clean up.

Resting:

This cake must cool to room temp THEN be refridgerated for at least 4 hours. No kidding.

Getting this thing out of the pan:

Loosen with a hot knife around the edges, and I take a dish rag in very hot water and lay it on the counter. Set the pan on the hot towel, it will losen up the bottom nicely. Take a large flat plate or serving platter and cover it with plastic wrap, turn the cake out upside down onto the plastic wrap, then put a plate on the bottom of the cake and gently flip the whole thing over. Can you picture what I mean? When its right side up, remove the serving platter and gently peel off the plastic wrap. Voila.

Serving:

I like rich chocolate things at room temp, but you make the call as to chilled or not. You will need to cut this thing with hot knife, serve LITTLE slices with maple or cinamon whipped cream, or some double vanilla anglaise and fresh berries are nice.

Questions? ASK BEFORE YOU START. I wrote this version in a big hurry, deadline on friday you know, but I couldn't leave EFers hangin'

cheers

Chef
 
OK, in the ingredients list you have JD to taste. I'm going to need some guideline for my first time.

Can I grind the pecans in my coffee grinder, or buy some?

When you drop the temperature of the oven to 385 are you placing the alum foil over the whole water bed or just the cake? But it shouldn't touch the cake at all - right?

Can I serve it from the bottom part of the spring form pan?

"serve LITTLE slices with maple or cinamon whipped cream, or some double vanilla anglaise and fresh " pretend I didn't go to culinary school - IOW, I have no idea how to make any of these



THANKS CHEF.
 
CipherLock said:
OK, in the ingredients list you have JD to taste. I'm going to need some guideline for my first time.

About an ounce.

Did I space that? sorry. I make a bunch of reduced boozes every once in a while, basicly: jack, port, red and white wine, cook em down slow. It removes the alch. and intensifies the flavor. Not good for all things, but they have their time.

I left the jack fresh in this one, as the boozy flavor makes it a bit more grown up and a little racy. good for mothers in law. ;)


Can I grind the pecans in my coffee grinder, or buy some?

Just pulse them a few times in a food processor, its good to have bits, not just powder


When you drop the temperature of the oven to 385 are you placing the alum foil over the whole water bed or just the cake? But it shouldn't touch the cake at all - right?

Sorry, that wasnt very clear, my bad. Just the cake really, if it touches the cake by accident, the butter is there to keep it from sticking too bad, but its best to try to avoid contact at all. Its just there to keep the top from carbonizing and getting bitter. Think of it as a blast shield... or as a sheet of foil.. er.. note to me: take meds.


Can I serve it from the bottom part of the spring form pan?

Yes, but make your life easier and turn the bottom of the springform pan upside down: so that the lip is underneath, you know what i mean? It makes cutting, and serving, MUCH easier.


"serve LITTLE slices with maple or cinamon whipped cream, or some double vanilla anglaise and fresh " pretend I didn't go to culinary school - IOW, I have no idea how to make any of these

Next time you find your self in a gourmet deli or the like, pick up some maple sugar, killer stuff, you can make it yourself out of maple syrup, but that is beyond the scope of this session, Mr. Phelps.

Flavored whipped creams are easy as could be, just think this way. For every quart of cream (thats enough whipped for about 25 people, unless they eat like me) use about an ounce of sugar. That will always work. And with whipped cream, err on the side of underwhipped, rather than over, as overwhipped cream lets the water 'drop out'. Ever whip the bejezus out of some cream and an hour later there is a half inch of water at the bottom of the bowl and the cream part is grainy as hell? Drop out.

Cinnamon cream: add your sugar and a pinch of cin. then whip. bingo.

More complex flavored whipped cream takes a little more doing, and stabilizing the cream with a WEEE little cornstarch slurry makes for killer whipped cream for frosting cakes or making quenelles that wont drop out or sag, will cover stabilized creams and such in another thread.


THANKS CHEF.

No worries, my pleasure. You share what you love. "Joy is in the eyes that see, laughter in the ears that hear."


chef
 
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