I think that the interview is phoney, made up by ironman staff. I will admitt that some of it may be true for some pros. Interviews without names is are often false, made up just to sell mags. The all natural Ironman is just another rag, full of false info. How many top pros do you think, hardly workout and depend solely on drugs for their development? I say bullshit. We all know that their are to many drugs in pro bodybuilding, and it would be nice if their were a criteria change. Bodybuilding is not the safest sport, yet look at how few are dying in relation to some other sports.