carb/protein and fat/protein

[big calvin]

i agree 100%

 

[Blackalpha]

Thanks B_C!

 

[Hoffmeister]

The protein ingested won't cause insulin release..

It will aid in the release of glucagon,the hormone that lowers insulin levels.It's a fat burning hormone.

So I can keep doing my voodoo...

Hmm. Per Lyle Mcdonald:

Standard voodoo nutrition food combining bullshit IMO. The body is
simply way to smart to make stuff like this work. I've only seen one
study looking specifically at food combining (they compared a food
combining diet, and Berardi gives the standard set of rules to a
non-food combining diet at the same weight loss calorie levels). End
result: no difference. The body simply has too many redundant pathways
to make stuff like this work.

Fats alone can stimulate TG synthesis (and FFA uptake into adipocytes)
in an insulin independent nature. So separating out fats from carbs
doesn't magically eliminate one's ability to get fat.

There's this little bitch of a metabolic pathway called the Acylation
Stimulation Protein (ASP) pathway which allows this to happen. It's
stimluated by one of the apoproteins on the chylomicrons and allows fat
storage even in the complete absence of lipoprotein lipase (LPL,
previously thought to be the rate limiting step for FFA uptake and fat
synthesis).

That is, the old picture was that insulin increased LPL activity (as
well as inhibiting HSL, hormone sensitive lipase which is the rate
limiting step for fat breakdown and release into the bloodstream) and
that's all that mattered for fat storage. But it's out of date.
Chlyomicrons (produced from teh digestion of fat in the gut) stimulate
FFA uptake and triglyceride synthesis into fat cells all by themselves,
even in the absence of insulin. Because our bodies hate us.

As well, it only takes tiny, tiny amounts of insulin to active fat
storage in fat cells (even the levels after an overnight fast inhibit
fat breakdown by half of the maximal rate) so the protein stimulated
insulin release will have an effect.

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[Stryc-9]

If you're not aware (not only you but anyone who doubts this technique's effectiveness) of the results of a smart macros combination,then don't speak.

Don't speak? This would seem to defeat the purpose of a "discussion" board...but I do see your point...

...all I can say is that I have seen the results possible WITHOUT macros combination....if you're eating clean, doing your lifting, and hitting the cardio, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to start worrying about food combining....just my two cents...

really didn't intend a direct flame....

 

[Blackalpha]

Hoffmeister,then,you disagree with Mr.X's protein+carbs cycling(which involves a very low fat intake) and the info it provides....
I said that you can still loose weight and almost the same amount in lbs but you can achieve a better body composition if you make the appropriate macros combinations.

Also,the quote proves that when you do a ketogenic style diet you can still get fat when you consume more calories than you burn,which is opposite to many poeple's belief.Anyway,it's another story.

I want to hear Par Deus' opinion on the thread.

Stryc-9,of course this is a place to post our opinions but I can't stand opininions like:Bullshit.. It doesn't work.. Crap.. etc. from people that have not tried this diet technique and can't state their opinions too.

 

[D00fy]

this shit is confusing !!!!

i am just goona go by calories in vs calories burned or someshit


so ima add 1bsp oil to my chicken breast and chick pea meal

 

[Hoffmeister]

Hoffmeister,then,you disagree with Mr.X's protein+carbs cycling(which involves a very low fat intake) and the info it provides....

I think there are times that combinations make sense.

Like during refeeds, I try to make it very low-fat and high carbs. But that's due to the info I've seen that it takes 24-36 hours before your body will start storing carbs as fat.

Overall, I don't think there's any evidence that food combining individual meals during the day has any effect whatsoever.

I said that you can still loose weight and almost the same amount in lbs but you can achieve a better body composition if you make the appropriate macros combinations.

I guess I just think it isn't all that complicated. If you get adequate protein, and 20-30% calories from fat, the rest is pretty inconsequential.

Also,the quote proves that when you do a ketogenic style diet you can still get fat when you consume more calories than you burn,which is opposite to many poeple's belief.Anyway,it's another story.

Hehe, no argument here.

 

[Blackalpha]

Well,I know many dieticians who believe that the ultimate combination for fat gain is high gi carbs+fat.But we can agree if we talk about a combination of low gi carbs+fat.Then,it doesn't really matter...

 

[Blackalpha]

On 24/07/2001 Mr.X had posted:
I think we need to put some information together and explain the difference between the two. Because, it seems to me, people think that taking in fats w/ high-carbs will slow the insuline response. Yet, it actually lowers the rate of glucose absorption. As a result, high-fats/high-carbs are just not a feasible idea...period.

Mr.X



Just to give a positive feedback to my statement and make things more clear.If you don't believe me,then you should believe someone more experienced.

As I mentioned in my previous post,low gi carbs when combined with fat,create together a meal that's not so bad overall.But it still is not close to the optimum meal combination.