carb/protein and fat/protein

[Grizzly]

OK, well, apparently, I misunderstood atleast part of your post. however, I still disagree with the last post. If I had my book with me, I would quote the passage directly. Either way, Dorian Yates, in "Blood and Guts", stated that for his first pre-contest diet he ate a normal cutting diet, but he realized that calories were what counted the most and, if he felt like, he would eat a candy bar, as long as his calories were where they needed to be. First of all, he won that contest. Secondly, let's talk about insulin spike! To be eating clean for several days on end and then eat a CANDY BAR! That's crazy, right? Oh my god! He must have instantly stored that as fat. Wrong! He didn't. In fact, he got super lean. Lean enough to win. That's all I have to say about that.

 

[Blackalpha]

Not to oversimplify - but the bottom line for weight loss always has been, and always will be ----> calories in VS. calories out

Certainly.But I care more for my body composition (bf) than my bodyweight.You can loose weight but keep almost the same bodyfat levels.If you're not aware (not only you but anyone who doubts this technique's effectiveness) of the results of a smart macros combination,then don't speak.

Doofy,I've told ya again..
Meals high in cabs in combination with meals high in fat can actually promote a synergistic insulin release when compared to the two alone.
The purpose of protein+fat meal is to provide energy and amino acids without causing insulin spikes.You will burn more fat for energy.

Then I told you that if you use this diet,you can use the first carb+protein meal as a preworkout meal,the scond one as a postworkout meal and the third one as any other meal of the day.No one told you to have 3 meals of carbs+protein in a row..

 

[Hoffmeister]

Food combining is basically voodoo BS.

Your body can store fat completely independant of insulin.

As well, the protein ingested will also cause insulin release.

 

[big calvin]

OK, well, apparently, I misunderstood atleast part of your post. however, I still disagree with the last post. If I had my book with me, I would quote the passage directly. Either way, Dorian Yates, in "Blood and Guts", stated that for his first pre-contest diet he ate a normal cutting diet, but he realized that calories were what counted the most and, if he felt like, he would eat a candy bar, as long as his calories were where they needed to be. First of all, he won that contest. Secondly, let's talk about insulin spike! To be eating clean for several days on end and then eat a CANDY BAR! That's crazy, right? Oh my god! He must have instantly stored that as fat. Wrong! He didn't. In fact, he got super lean. Lean enough to win. That's all I have to say about that.

bro why would u quote from dorians book? i mean he book means nothing! he can tell u to do 1 set or 50 sets and i still wouldnt beleave him. when hes on pre contest , these guys are taking numerious drugs to help them lose fat and maintain muscle hardness as much as possible. from t3-arimdez-gh. so yes if u told me dorian eats some candy pre workout i would say yeah sure why not. t3(thyroid hormone) will burn dame well anything. atleast at the dosages these guys use! + he GH!! fat doesnt have a change! also some can use diabetic pills to help there body be more sensitive to insulin...so less insulin is being pored out into there system.... dont get me wrong guys even if someone uses these hormones doesnt mean thats what makes him ripped...but at this guys dosages these guys use, it sertainlly puts all parts of the system to FULL FAT BURN. all he has to do is tough the diet,training and cardio out. which is tough.

 

[D00fy]

<--needs diabetic pills

 

[Grizzly]

bro why would u quote from dorians book? i mean he book means nothing! he can tell u to do 1 set or 50 sets and i still wouldnt beleave him. when hes on pre contest , these guys are taking numerious drugs to help them lose fat and maintain muscle hardness as much as possible. from t3-arimdez-gh. so yes if u told me dorian eats some candy pre workout i would say yeah sure why not. t3(thyroid hormone) will burn dame well anything. atleast at the dosages these guys use! + he GH!! fat doesnt have a change! also some can use diabetic pills to help there body be more sensitive to insulin...so less insulin is being pored out into there system.... dont get me wrong guys even if someone uses these hormones doesnt mean thats what makes him ripped...but at this guys dosages these guys use, it sertainlly puts all parts of the system to FULL FAT BURN. all he has to do is tough the diet,training and cardio out. which is tough.

Why would I quote from the book? Because he was Mr. Olympia! If you're not aware of what that means, it means that he had the best physique on the planet. Who better to listen to, you know?

Ok, here's something that's been bugging me. Do you know the dosages or even which drugs the pros are using? How do you know they are using huge doses of everything? That assumption really pisses me off. I won't deny that they most probably do more than most folks, but to say that they're using shitloads doesn't seem right. The reason I say this is that at one point person A will claim that they're that huge because of all the drugs that they are using. In the next sentence Person A will claim that it's all their genetics that makes them able to be such freaks. Both statements are partially true. Granted, they wouldn't have the physiques they do without the drugs and genetics. However, isn't it quite possible that since they have superior genetics that they don't need that much drugs? Sure, maybe for a "normal" guy it would take 12 kits of GH and 5 grams of test with 300mgs of Anadrol a week to get anywhere near that size, but since the pros have superior growth genetics, then shouldn't they grow just fine without nearly the amount of drugs a normal fellow would need? Just my theory here. And, personally, I think it makes a lot of sense. I'm using myself as a guinea pig here. I have yet to juice, but my arms are 19". Ideally, I will have my stuff in a couple of weeks. Now, a first cycle typically yields about 20-30lbs of mass. I've read that approximately 10lbs of bodyweight translates into a 1" growth on your arms, give or take a little. Now, in theory here, after my first cycle I will be damn near Arnold sized. I'll let you know what really happens, but, if things work the way I hypothesize/hope then it's a myth that the pros need huge amounts of drugs. It would be because they/I grow very well. Therefore, taking Dorian's advice is just fine because he really may not have been hepped up on that much shit.

 

[big calvin]

Why would I quote from the book? Because he was Mr. Olympia! If you're not aware of what that means, it means that he had the best physique on the planet. Who better to listen to, you know?

Ok, here's something that's been bugging me. Do you know the dosages or even which drugs the pros are using? How do you know they are using huge doses of everything? That assumption really pisses me off. I won't deny that they most probably do more than most folks, but to say that they're using shitloads doesn't seem right. The reason I say this is that at one point person A will claim that they're that huge because of all the drugs that they are using. In the next sentence Person A will claim that it's all their genetics that makes them able to be such freaks. Both statements are partially true. Granted, they wouldn't have the physiques they do without the drugs and genetics. However, isn't it quite possible that since they have superior genetics that they don't need that much drugs? Sure, maybe for a "normal" guy it would take 12 kits of GH and 5 grams of test with 300mgs of Anadrol a week to get anywhere near that size, but since the pros have superior growth genetics, then shouldn't they grow just fine without nearly the amount of drugs a normal fellow would need? Just my theory here. And, personally, I think it makes a lot of sense. I'm using myself as a guinea pig here. I have yet to juice, but my arms are 19". Ideally, I will have my stuff in a couple of weeks. Now, a first cycle typically yields about 20-30lbs of mass. I've read that approximately 10lbs of bodyweight translates into a 1" growth on your arms, give or take a little. Now, in theory here, after my first cycle I will be damn near Arnold sized. I'll let you know what really happens, but, if things work the way I hypothesize/hope then it's a myth that the pros need huge amounts of drugs. It would be because they/I grow very well. Therefore, taking Dorian's advice is just fine because he really may not have been hepped up on that much shit.

im not saying that dorian is a bad BB. i have his tapes, all his books and read what ever he says. but just because he says it dosnt mean its true. the point i was trying to make was he can do things u cant. he can cut his cals way low and not lose to much muscle because he has "help". he can lose fat a a faser rate then u because he has "help". so if he tell me "yeah i eat 2000 caloires pre contest and do 2 hours cardio a day and lose about 80lbs before a contest" i would not take his advice unless i knew the real truth of what he does.

ps. i dont want to sound or didnt want to sound like a jerk writing i just wanted to get my point across.

 

[Blackalpha]

Food combining is basically voodoo BS.

Your body can store fat completely independant of insulin.

As well, the protein ingested will also cause insulin release.

The protein ingested won't cause insulin release..

It will aid in the release of glucagon,the hormone that lowers insulin levels.It's a fat burning hormone.

So I can keep doing my voodoo...

 

[big calvin]

The protein ingested won't cause insulin release..

It will aid in the release of glucagon,the hormone that lowers insulin levels.It's a fat burning hormone.

So I can keep doing my voodoo...

well yes and no. protein by itself i would say has a positive/negative stance. because it effects insulin just as much as glucagon it looks to me like a = position..but if added carbs glucagon is history...then thats when insulin is raised...

 

[Blackalpha]

Glucagon actually lowers insulin levels when they are elevated.

If you eat protein with high GI carbs then the protein's gonna lower the GI.

If you eat protein with low GI carbs then (because of the protein) the GI will be elevated but not that much.