carb/protein and fat/protein

[D00fy]

i heard that if you have fat/protein/carb meal its bad if you are trying to loose fat

that carbs/protein and fat/protein has to be separate for example


Meal1-Carb/Protein
Meal2-Carb/Protein
Meal3-Carb/Protein
Meal4-Fat/Protein
Meal5-Fat/Protein
Meal6-Fat/Protein

any suggestions

2weeks left of leaning

 

[diamonddiceclay]

there is no truth to that

 

[Stryc-9]

I think food-combining is crap...

...as long as you're getting the macro-nutrient requirements that your body needs - I don't see how the combinations could make a very drastic difference as far as weight loss goes...

Not to oversimplify - but the bottom line for weight loss always has been, and always will be ----> calories in VS. calories out

 

[D00fy]

true

 

[gapster2000]

I would have to agree with Stryc-9, when it comes to dieting it is Calories in vs Calories out. This is the diet that I use to get ripped for a comp. Just remember to do a little cardio as well

Meal 1: Protein Powder = 60grams
Meal 2: 250grams Tuna + 60 grams of rice
Meal 3: Protein Powder = 60grams
Meal 4: 250grams Tuna + 60 grams of rice
Meal 5: 300grams Chicken Breast + Small Salid
Meal 6: Protein Powder = 60grams

 

[diamonddiceclay]

I would have to agree with Stryc-9, when it comes to dieting it is Calories in vs Calories out. This is the diet that I use to get ripped for a comp. Just remember to do a little cardio as well

Meal 1: Protein Powder = 60grams
Meal 2: 250grams Tuna + 60 grams of rice
Meal 3: Protein Powder = 60grams
Meal 4: 250grams Tuna + 60 grams of rice
Meal 5: 300grams Chicken Breast + Small Salid
Meal 6: Protein Powder = 60grams

HOW LONG DID YOU DO THAT DIET, AND WERE YOU TAKING ROIDS WITH IT?

 

[big calvin]

i have to disagree.

ill give u 3 meals and u tell me which are fine when cutting. k:

1-chicken and brown rice
2-steak and brown rice
3-steak

lets see....meal 1 has low fat,mod. carbs,mod. protein....meal 2 is mod. fat,mod. carbs.mod. protein....and meal 3 is mod. fat,no carbs,mod. protein.....so its clear that meal 2 has 2 differnt possibel energy sources to choose from...now sence the human body's first source to choose from is glucose(carbs) then where does the fat go? hmmmm.... maybe stored so for later use....but meal 1 & 3 have only 1 energy source to choose from...so thats makes meal 1 & 3 at an advantage correct?

example:
why dont u eat a steak with grape juice post workout? because 2 energy sources.....high insulin and fat dont mix...and yes i know that low GI carbs and protien and healthy fats u guys think is ok but its not. look at it this way...say u eat oats....it still gonna raise insulin to some degree...then u eat some egg whites....50% protein raises insulin. ...and no it does not lower the GI of carbs. thats only if the carbs is high GI to begin with. so after all that your glucose is some what higher....so that mean insulin is pored out to store the glucose and aminos...but u added oil....so if your insulin is sending micronutrients to storage(muscle or fat cells) then where does that fat go? u guess it...fat cells!!

im not saying carbs and fats dont mix...just which fats with carbs...if u tell me a MRP that has 35g carbs,35g protein and u add 1 tbsp flax oil then that great. because those fats dont work the same way that other fats work. yes mono and poly saturated fats are also healthy for u...but the dont doooooo anything near what flax does or hemp does(omega 3 fatty acids)

so in conclution i think food combining is ideal... and balanced % of TOTAL grams and caloires can be looked at...just because u follow a 40/30/30 diet does not mean every meal should be 40/30/30.

just my .02

 

[Grizzly]

That's definitely a bunch of garbage! In all techinicality, as long as you are eating less calories than you need, you will lose weight. It does, indeed, depend upon what you're eating as to what you lose(muscle or fat) but the calories are the main consideration. If you eat a bunch of fat and a bunch of protein at one sitting and then eat a bucnh of protein and a bunch of carbs at the next sitting you will still lose the weight. As long as your k/cals are below maintenance levels. Granted, it would be better to eat the carbs earlier in the day, but it doesn't matter that much. Truly, you don't need to have equal portions at each sitting. At least, that's what I've read in several places. More importantly, that's what I've discovered from personal experience.

 

[Grizzly]

i have to disagree.

ill give u 3 meals and u tell me which are fine when cutting. k:

1-chicken and brown rice
2-steak and brown rice
3-steak

lets see....meal 1 has low fat,mod. carbs,mod. protein....meal 2 is mod. fat,mod. carbs.mod. protein....and meal 3 is mod. fat,no carbs,mod. protein.....so its clear that meal 2 has 2 differnt possibel energy sources to choose from...now sence the human body's first source to choose from is glucose(carbs) then where does the fat go? hmmmm.... maybe stored so for later use....but meal 1 & 3 have only 1 energy source to choose from...so thats makes meal 1 & 3 at an advantage correct?

so in conclution i think food combining is ideal... and balanced % of TOTAL grams and caloires can be looked at...just because u follow a 40/30/30 diet does not mean every meal should be 40/30/30.

just my .02

The first part of that is incorrect, if you ask me. Yes, in a caloric overabundance, the fat will possibly stored as fat, but, in a caloric deficit, the fat and carbs and, possibly, even the protein will be used for energy. When the body is "starving" it will use whatever is ingested for producing energy. Therefore, whatever you eat will be burned for energy and even if your macr nutrients are not exactly perfect you will indeed lose weight.

The last part I definitely agree with. I thin that as long as over the day you average 40/40/20 you're doing alright. Even if you're breakfast is 20/20/60 and the rest of the day makes it so that you end up and s40/40/20 you are doing alright.

 

[big calvin]

If you eat a bunch of fat and a bunch of protein at one sitting and then eat a bucnh of protein and a bunch of carbs at the next sitting you will still lose the weight. As long as your k/cals are below maintenance levels.

dude thats what i was just saying.

The first part of that is incorrect, if you ask me. Yes, in a caloric overabundance, the fat will possibly stored as fat, but, in a caloric deficit, the fat and carbs and, possibly, even the protein will be used for energy. When the body is "starving" it will use whatever is ingested for producing energy. Therefore, whatever you eat will be burned for energy and even if your macr nutrients are not exactly perfect you will indeed lose weight. .

bro and if your insulin levels are high even if your caloires are low. thats low calories doesnt mean shit! insulin stops fat burning! and worse is if u eat it with some fat!! the fat HAS to be stored! what does insulin do? its a storage hormone. thats it. thats its only job!! so yes you body will try to use every possible macronutrient it can gets its hands on but if 1/2 is fat then the first place for that fat to go(when insulin is high) is to storage..reguardless of caloires....insulin is one of if not the most powerful hormone in your body.

sence u seem to beleave that caloires is what seems to lower your weight tell me this. if i only eat grape juice and steak for the whole day ok.

now we both agea thats each meal doesnt have to be the same and shouldnt be...so if i have say meal 1,2,3 are -grape juice,protein shake and meal 4,5,6 are-steak. the TOTAL caloires is less then u burn so u think you'll lose weight. as long as calores in is less then caloires out. now can u really tell me that that would infact make u lose weight? COME ON!!! your insulin would be all over u like crazy!!

im not saying caloires dont count. all im saying is insulin is much more of a factor in loseing weight then caloires.....and if u dont beleave me. i have tested this. a long time a go. i did a normal healthy diet...lose some weight....when i swicthed to a diet in which my insulin was very low(low carbs) i did this diet for 1 month. i did not lose weight....but u know what...i was eating 2500 caloires before i started....on the low carbs plan i was eating atleast 4500+ and didnt even gain 1 pound...how can that be?? maybe its cause my body WOULDNT store fat!!!!! bingo!!!!!