Carb consensus

[JKurz1]

I would love to get some thoughts on whether or not you change your caloric or carb intake on days you don't lift? What about if you plan on just doing pm cardio? Would you include a decent carb in your first three meals? and then reduce it throughout the day? Much thanks...........

 

[~SC~]

I'd have to say carbs are lower on non-training days as you simply don't need as much energy for a workout, nor do you need as much energy for recovery/glycogen recomp/etc. For the p.m. cardio issue, if you do cardio at 5:00 p.m., your last carb meal should be around noon. A protein/flax or healthy efa shake can be had @ around 3:00 or so, and your cardio @ 5:00 should still be relatively productive.

~SC~
CEO
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[napolean22]

SC is on the money.

Personally, I like to kill the carbs up until around 3-3:30pm on training days (prolly 200grams or so)...then cut them out the rest of the night (minimal 15-20grams).

Cardio days are different. I like to keep carbs minimal all day. I'll have a medium (~50 gram) carb meal about 1.5 hours before cardio.

 

[JKurz1]

so how would a Lean matrix shake....20g, 20g, 4.5 with a little flax be an hour or so beforehand?

 

[Tom Treutlein]

I taper my carbs off as the day goes on. I have cereal in the morning as my first meal, a PB&J at noon, then a tuna sandwich at 6:00 PM or so, an hour after my post-workout meal. On non-training days, chances are I'll stick with tuna and mayo mixed in a bowl with some pepper, and leave the carbs out. I'll still have my cereal and PB&J. Then again, I'm not in it to get to 220 lbs. of lean mass or more, nor am I in it to reach 7% bodyfat, so I guess it doesn't matter.

 

[JKurz1]

I taper my carbs off as the day goes on. I have cereal in the morning as my first meal, a PB&J at noon, then a tuna sandwich at 6:00 PM or so, an hour after my post-workout meal. On non-training days, chances are I'll stick with tuna and mayo mixed in a bowl with some pepper, and leave the carbs out. I'll still have my cereal and PB&J. Then again, I'm not in it to get to 220 lbs. of lean mass or more, nor am I in it to reach 7% bodyfat, so I guess it doesn't matter.

Knock off the cereal and get some oats....your body will thank you for it and show you in some nice gains.............

I go oats for b-fast, metrx or myoplex mid-am, a sweet potato for lunch, and after that, it's all fiberous carbs (broc., slad, green beans...........)



although, Im thinking about adapting the midnight bowl of oats to get my f-ing weight up.........

 

[liftingfreak1983]

I'd have to say carbs are lower on non-training days as you simply don't need as much energy for a workout, nor do you need as much energy for recovery/glycogen recomp/etc. For the p.m. cardio issue, if you do cardio at 5:00 p.m., your last carb meal should be around noon. A protein/flax or healthy efa shake can be had @ around 3:00 or so, and your cardio @ 5:00 should still be relatively productive.

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com

I understand what youre saying SC but say you kill yourself on those training days and youre training monday, wednesday, and friday. Doesn't your muscles need those carbs on the off days to help recover?

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Switching from cereal to oats isn't going to suddenly switch everything and give me miraculous gains. The cereal I have is healthy enough anyway, and I'm not in it strictly for nutritional value. I'm 17, and I despise the taste of oats. I love my cereal.

 

[JKurz1]

I understand what youre saying SC but say you kill yourself on those training days and youre training monday, wednesday, and friday. Doesn't your muscles need those carbs on the off days to help recover?

Thats what my thoughts were too....we need some input from the anabolic bros............

 

[JKurz1]

Switching from cereal to oats isn't going to suddenly switch everything and give me miraculous gains. The cereal I have is healthy enough anyway, and I'm not in it strictly for nutritional value. I'm 17, and I despise the taste of oats. I love my cereal.

DO you remember what spinach did to popeye??? lol.....I'm joking bro.....but, I think it's the numero uno bodybuilding food (carb) out there........what kind of cereal? Hopefully not one loaded with sugar..........at 17, you got no worries.........you sb eating like a stallion..............

 

[~SC~]

I understand what youre saying SC but say you kill yourself on those training days and youre training monday, wednesday, and friday. Doesn't your muscles need those carbs on the off days to help recover?

Why? Once glycogen stores are full, what are excess carbs on off days going to do? Nothing except run the chance of being stored as fat.

Amino acids (protein) builds lean muscle tissue, not carbs. I focus my intake on off days around healthy fats and protein, with some oats early on in the day.

Do what works for you!

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com

 

[~SC~]

Thats what my thoughts were too....we need some input from the anabolic bros............

Sorry you don't feel I am "qualified" enough to answer your question. I've only been running a business for 3 years dealing w/this exact type of thing.

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com

 

[JKurz1]

Sorry you don't feel I am "qualified" enough to answer your question. I've only been running a business for 3 years dealing w/this exact type of thing.

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com

Damn you SC - you are wayy too sensitive.........I wasnt slamming you and I respect your thoughts a great deal, else I would PM you, right? I just KNOW, some have different views...thats all.....wanted a consensus.......I've adopted many of your theories and your pics talk for themselves......ok, how do you know when you gly. stores are filled? I do agree with that concept as well.....and will ala or r-ala help control?

 

[mcbruiser]

interesting thread, you guys make some good points. but from what i understand timing is an important factor when it comes to carbs. for example, they say that the body metabolizes carbs better in the A.M. but that most of your carbs should be eaten post workout, if possible. you guys all talk about eating more carbs on the days you train and less on the days you don't train (or do cardio), which is very logical, but don't mention when you do your training. if a person trains in the A.M. or early afternoon, it's easy, but what about the case where a person trains in the P.M.? how should carb intake be adjusted? should that person still eat carbs in the post-workout meal? should that person eat carbs the next day even if it is a non-training or cardio day? any advice appreciated.

 

[JKurz1]

thats a solid ?............SC will know.........

 

[Tom Treutlein]

I hear ya' J. Total Brown Sugar & Oat. I love the taste, the vitamin/mineral content is pretty good, and it's not overly loaded with sugars. Sure, it's not great, but the 9 glasses of milk a day are worse - and I'm not ready to drop either. Like I said, I wanna enjoy myself.

 

[KWKSLVR]

Regardless of what time of the day you lift, if you aren't feeding your muscles nutrients that they need to grow and spiking insulin then you aren't giving them a way to recover. Avoiding carbs at night (especially High GI carbs) makes sense if you have been sitting around the office all day and you aren't doing anything active but we aren't talking about that. We are talking about consuming something that is necessary to keep your hard workout from at worst, being counterproductive and at the least, being nonproductive.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[ArmaniMark]

Damn you SC - you are wayy too sensitive.........I wasnt slamming you and I respect your thoughts a great deal, else I would PM you, right? I just KNOW, some have different views...thats all.....wanted a consensus.......I've adopted many of your theories and your pics talk for themselves......ok, how do you know when you gly. stores are filled? I do agree with that concept as well.....and will ala or r-ala help control?

SC is probally on some clomid right now that's why he's acting so emotional.....

 

[Tom Treutlein]

I'm able to eat oats now! Last I saw this thread I couldn't.

I think it's still a good idea to keep carbs relatively steady until training is finished on training days, then cut them off 3-4 hours before bed. DC claims 6-7 PM, but I don't go to bed at 10-11 - more like 1 or 2.

Anyway, non-training days, I still think carbs should be included, just not as much. Dextrose on training days and oats. On non-training, only oats (low-gi carbs and such) and cut the carb meals down by one.

 

[KWKSLVR]

SC is probally on some clomid right now that's why he's acting so emotional.....

 

[Omegasox]

Yeah I'd like to know about the P.M. carb intake when working out in the P.M. I eat a Tuna sandwich before working out, then a tuna wrap when I get home around 10pm. Then I eat a bowl of cottage cheese and peaches around midnight. Then I go to bed around 2am. Aside from Oats in the morning that's all the carbs I have.