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[ThisCat]

I've done a few low end cycles in the past, I haven't done anything for around 3 years now, and looking to do another cycle, I'm sitting at 220lb at 16% and 5'11, Yes my BF is higher, winter months... (Canada) but my diet is good, just cardio lacks this time of the year.

So looking at everything now a days, and I feel like a newbie. and i'm sure someone will rip on me, but I'm look for a cycle to bulk and of course drop fat. I would love to end up at about 200-210lb. and 8-10%.

1-4 d-bol
1-12 week test enthate 500 mgs
8-14 winny,
with PROVIRON in there to help with sides etc...

or EQ in place of Test enthate..?


Post cycle, thoughts seem to be different, back in the day,,, I ran Nova after... I wish I had the time to look this stuff up like i use to, but life is too busy now.

So pull this cycle a part, tell me what you think, I have some good mass now, want to bump it up a bit, and harden up.
Thanks so much

 

[solidspine]

Don’t drop the test, add eq if you want but don’t drop the test


PCT

HCG
Clomid

 

[babbabuee]

keep the test

 

[ThisCat]

HCG, is that a "need" if i'm running proviron in there? clomid over nova now?

 

[aceofspades]

I agree with keeping the Test and you may also want to run the Winney a couple weeks sooner so it ends with the Test also. Nova should be fine for this cycle if you already have it.

 

[Ulter]

You should do very well with that. Keep the test, skip the nolva.

Use AIFM throughout the cycle and PCT. I don't think you NEED HCG for your PCT because it's only test, but it makes it go a lot smoother. Then use the clomid for a couple weeks and you'll do fine.

 

[ThisCat]

So.
1-4 30mg or 40mg d-bol
1-12 week test enthate 500 mgs
6-12 50mg winny,/day oral
13-14 40mg nova/day
14-16 20mg nova/day

with PROVIRON in there to help with sides etc
and milkthistle for the old liver.
anything else??

 

[aceofspades]

It looks good to me except you need to remember to wait 10 days after your last injection of Test E to start your PCT. I always like to run HCG at 250iu 2x per week during my longer cycles. AIFM as suggested above also would be a great addition.

 

[ThisCat]

Sounds good, thanks for your help.

Also, a buddy of mine is talking about doing a cycle.
1-6 dbol 40mg.
3-12 injection winny 50mg every other day,
ending with Nova....

thoughts?

 

[aceofspades]

Sounds good, thanks for your help.

Also, a buddy of mine is talking about doing a cycle.
1-6 dbol 40mg.
3-12 injection winny 50mg every other day,
ending with Nova....

thoughts?

My thought is that it is a bad cycle due to the fact no Test is being used in it.

 

[ThisCat]

He says he had too many sides when using test...
this or he's to cheap to throw in the proviron,

anything else he could try, with low sides?

 

[aceofspades]

He says he had too many sides when using test...
this or he's to cheap to throw in the proviron,

anything else he could try, with low sides?

I would not run any cycle without Test as the base for it. What kind of sides did he have with it? There are things you can add to your cycle to combat the sides.

 

[ThisCat]

don't really know what sides he's talking about, i'll ask him next time,

is there anything I can tell him about other then a cycle with test... I know dumb, but that's what he wants....

 

[daveyboy2345]

always throw in 250 mgs of test a week no matter what imho.

 

[dline]

Sounds good, thanks for your help.

Also, a buddy of mine is talking about doing a cycle.
1-6 dbol 40mg.
3-12 injection winny 50mg every other day,
ending with Nova....

thoughts?

No offense bro but your buddy is retarded. We are not steering you wrong. We want you to gain as much muscle as you can, safely. And keep everything you worked for after you PCT. Listen to the advice above, as it is all correct.



DLine

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Sounds good, thanks for your help.

Also, a buddy of mine is talking about doing a cycle.
1-6 dbol 40mg.
3-12 injection winny 50mg every other day,
ending with Nova....

thoughts?

this is a rather harsh cycle, with no percievable reasoning behind it.

 

[dline]

this is a rather harsh cycle, with no percievable reasoning behind it.

Harsh especially on the liver...




DLine

 

[mattrich]

Sounds good, thanks for your help.

Also, a buddy of mine is talking about doing a cycle.
1-6 dbol 40mg.
3-12 injection winny 50mg every other day,
ending with Nova....

thoughts?

maybe try a 8 weeker using test prop eod with the winstrol.
that way if sides get to much he can drop it and will clear his system fast.
what sides did he get that were unbearable???

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Harsh especially on the liver...




DLine

skin and joints likely wont fare to well either

 

[NURSEPIMP]

Its just seems you and your friend have been out of the loop.

I suffer from Test sides pretty easy too, but there is now a shit load of products to help with controlling sides. AIFM,Letro, aromasin,cabergoline ect..

Your friend should do exactly what you are going to do.

By Anti E and AI's and you should both do very well..

-NP

 

[macrophage69alpha]

if test sides are an issue, lower doses and ancillaries can ameliorate them. while test is not a necessity (though highly reccomended) dbol will tend to produce the same sides and worse in most individuals, even with ancillaries.

 

[ThisCat]

Sweet guys, thanks, I'll kick his ass around a little, honest I think he's just being cheap... I think i've been able to talk him into doing a lower dose and maybe dumping the proviron. I already have a bottle of nova on hand for anti E, so I won't bother charging him if it helps change his mind.
would he be fine at 300-400mg a week? or waste of time?