Can Tongkat Ali replace HCG

[hayz]

Hey guys iv heard on the grape vine that Tongkat Ali can replace HCG during a cycle by stimulating the leydig cells.

Anything to prevent soft nads.

Anyone heard of or used Tongkat Ali?

 

[al420]

I did about 6 hours of reading on this a few months ago and just couldn't get on board. I'm looking forward tot his thread. Hope it takes flight.

 

[hayz]

I did about 6 hours of reading on this a few months ago and just couldn't get on board. I'm looking forward tot his thread. Hope it takes flight.

Yeah Mate from what iv read, im not really looking at jumping on boeard either but its a cheap alternative if it works.

 

[josenunes]

Hey guys iv heard on the grape vine that Tongkat Ali can replace HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - during a cycle by stimulating the leydig cells.

Anything to prevent soft nads.

Anyone heard of or used Tongkat Ali?

Dont expect the same results...

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Hey guys iv heard on the grape vine that Tongkat Ali can replace HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - during a cycle by stimulating the leydig cells.

Anything to prevent soft nads.

Anyone heard of or used Tongkat Ali?

For this purpose I like Fadogia Agrestis much better.
Tongkat seems like a good libido booster though not sure if its related to Test levels.

 

[Spartacus]

tongkat was the rage here about 3 years ago
do a search

anyone here remember carao?

 

[Spartacus]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/4175536-post16.html

Supps like Tongkat Ali seem to aid my recovery quite a bit. I couldn't continue with clomid as I don't tolerate it very well (depression / tracers).

Here's some results from a "study" I came across for Tongkat, if they're accurate it's impressive:

Data from Independent Study of 5 Healthy Men, San Francisco, CA
Dosage: 100 mg twice a day for 10 days
Testosterone test type - Saliva


Volunteer.Age.Pre-treatment ng/dl blood.After Treatment ng/dl blood

1............26...860/30..........................1650/50
2............35...875/40..........................1576/60
3............42...650/20...........................875/30
4............52...450/25...........................765/35
5............24...950/45..........................2210/55

Participants showed a significant increase over 10 days in serum testosterone level.

From: http://www.lj100.com/

Another study, this time from a more reputable source:

Effects of Eurycoma longifolia jack on laevator ani muscle in both uncastrated and testosterone-stimulated castrated intact male rats.

Ang HH, Cheang HS.

School of Pharmaceutical Sciences, University Science Malaysia, Minden, 11800, Penang, Malaysia. [email protected]

It has been reported that Eurycoma longifolia Jack commonly known as Tongkat Ali has gained notoreity as a symbol of man's ego and strength by the Malaysian men because it increases male virility and sexual prowess during sexual activities. As such, the effects of 200, 400 and 800 mg/kg of butanol, methanol, water and chloroform fractions of E. longifolia Jack were studied on the laevator ani muscle in both uncastrated and testosterone-stimulated castrated intact male rats after dosing them for 12 consecutive weeks. Results showed that 800 mg/kg of butanol, methanol, water and chloroform fractions of E. longifolia Jack significantly increased (p<0.05) the leavator ani muscle to 58.56+/-1.22, 58.23+/-0.31, 60.21 +/-0.86 and 62.35 +/-0.98 mg/100 g body weight, respectively, when compared with the control (untreated) in the uncastrated intact male rats and 49.23+/-0.82, 52.23+/-0.36, 50.21+/-0.66 and 52.35+/-0.58 mg/100 g body weight, respectively, when compared to control (untreated) in the testosterone-stimulated castrated intact male rats. Hence, the pro-androgenic effect as shown by this study further supported the traditional use of this plant as an aphrodisiac.

PMID: 11693547 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

tongkat was the rage here about 3 years ago
do a search

anyone here remember carao?

I remember carao. I think sofageorge was a big proponent because it increased his mom's hermatocrit. The stuff tasted like aluminum foil dissolved in molasses.

 

[hayz]

Well i dont think il let it replace my HCG during cycle. Stats sound good for a herbal though.