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Britain, Italy ready to exempt US citizens from ICC war crimes trials (Update)
AP ^ | Saturday, August 31, 2002 | By ROBERT WIELAARD Associated Press Writer


HELSINGOER, Denmark, Aug 31, 2002 (AP WorldStream via COMTEX) -- Italy and Britain signaled Saturday they may sign bilateral deals exempting Americans from International Criminal Court war crimes trials. The European Union said it would seek an accord to that effect with Washington next month.

Ending a two-day meeting, the 15 EU foreign ministers also condemned Iraqi President Saddam Hussein for flouting the international community's long- standing demand to readmit U.N. weapons inspectors.

Also, Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller said he will tour the Middle East next week with a peace plan that is to lead to an independent Palestinian state by 2005, as called for by U.S. President George W. Bush.

Moeller also said he will seek a compromise among EU governments by Sept. 30 granting America its wish that Europeans exempt Americans from trial in the International Criminal Court on war crimes resulting from peacekeeping operations activities.

"Our aim is to arrive at an understanding with the United States ... without undermining the ICC," Moeller said.

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said Washington's request was a bilateral issue, not an EU matter. "Each EU nation has signed (the ICC charter in 1998) on its own and can decide on its own to conclude" additional accords with other states, said Berlusconi - a staunch Bush ally - who is also his country's foreign minister.

Officials said later Berlusconi would await the outcome of efforts to come to an EU-wide agreement with Washington.

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw would not confirm reports Britain was ready to sign an exemption accord with Washington. But a British diplomat said the ICC charter "provides an avenue" for such exemptions.

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said EU governments were not out to undermine the ICC - which will hear war crimes cases against individuals when governments will not prosecute - but want "to consider the worries of the United States."

The Bush administration is concerned Americans - politicians and members of the military - could become targets of politically motivated war crimes trials. It has said sparing Americans that fate could be done under Article 98 of the ICC charter, which deals with stationing troops in foreign nations.

Legal experts of the 15 EU nations have a first meeting next Wednesday. The legal service at the EU executive Commission has already said exempting Americans from war crimes prosecutions would not be legal under the ICC treaty because Washington seeks a blanket exemption for both civilian and military personnel.

Wary of Washington talk of a war against Iraq, the EU foreign ministers said it was up to the United Nations Security Council - not the Pentagon - to force Saddam to comply with the demand for the readmission of arms inspectors.

Moeller, the meeting's chairman, said the Europeans share Washington's concern about Iraq's arms program but see no point in issuing deadlines or encouraging the United States to attack Iraq.

Fischer said a U.S. attack carried "unpredictable consequences."

EU officials were at pains to brush aside the possibility of U.S. military action against Iraq or Washington's pleas for support.

Straw, whose country is America's staunchest European ally, said Saddam must readmit the weapons inspectors without condition and without restriction.

"If he were to do that, than the case and the argument for a military action would plainly recede," Straw said.

The EU foreign ministers also endorsed a three-phase "roadmap" to Mideast peace that Moeller will discuss with governments in the region next week, including Israel and the Palestinian Authority. The goal is a Palestinian state by 2005.
 
fuck the icc. next time there is a major conflict and our country is needed we should just tell them fuck off and handle it on their own.
 
hey nordstrom, why isnt saddam being charged with war crimes? there are videos out there that show the kurds he gasses lying in contorted heaps.
 
p0ink said:
hey nordstrom, why isnt saddam being charged with war crimes? there are videos out there that show the kurds he gasses lying in contorted heaps.

DONT ASK NORD STUFF LIKE THIS. HE WOULD MUCH RATHER CRITICIZE THE AMERICAN GOVT. RATHER THAN SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT REALLY GOES ON OVER THERE.


KAYNE
 
KAYNE said:


DONT ASK NORD STUFF LIKE THIS. HE WOULD MUCH RATHER CRITICIZE THE AMERICAN GOVT. RATHER THAN SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT REALLY GOES ON OVER THERE.


KAYNE

Oh on, poverty having, cap lock using, paper mache boy doesn't like me. Whatever shall i do? just go on living i guess.


As far as the ICC, why would i give a fuck? i support the ICC because they try to prosecute crimes when no domestic court is able/willing. Because that doesn't apply to us (most of what is illegal under the ICC is illegal under US law too) it really doesn't matter if we are exempt.

The ICC doesn't become functional until 2003 or 2004. And it will not really have any authority over a state that doesn't ratify it. So it won't get Saddam (or whoever the media tells us is the new 'enemy of the people').

I am sick of the ICC.
 
Indra said:
fuck the icc. next time there is a major conflict and our country is needed we should just tell them fuck off and handle it on their own.


Ever heard of cooperation? like the terror coalition, or the U.N., or NATO?

the government disagrees with you on this. They want to have an active role in the world.
 
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