Bulking when on....

[JKurz1]

Is it possible to actually gain excess fat and not get any stronger during the bulking phase? I see that so much in my gym. Many bros worries about increasing cals for fear of getting extremely fat and not gaining an ounce of strenth, i.e. all the excess cals will be stored in the abdominal region.

Where does the excess cals hit you first? I see tons of guys with drawn out faces, ripped up arms, but still have a gut. How is this possible?


keep in mind, hardcore train 4-5 times a week plus HIIT cardio at 3-4 times a week minimum....will this prevent it?

Finally, is it easier to overeat and have the cals used for muscle growth instead of fat storage when you are supplementing with drugs like dbol, test, etc.

 

[Slyder190]

You tend to not get as fat when using gear when bulking. Not sayin you won't get fatter, just not as bad. In my experience anyway.

 

[JKurz1]

What type of gear, not incl. gh...........lol

I'm not worried about it as my diet is 99% clean, but I may need to jack the cals......when you lose your abs (except for hard flex), how long does it take you to get em back.....I'm thinking 3-4 weeks of a nice hard cut?

 

[borg4902]

You can always take it back off. Look at the weight you were pushing in the past and look at the weight pushed while cutting. DOnt go nuts, take pics every week if your getting to fat adjust you intake. It's all about the goal. Do you want the abb glammor or the bar glammor. Off season I bench close to 500 which is more than anyone on our college football team so I get a lot of attention brought on to myself. But girls could give a fuck what I bench, they are just always trying to pull up my shirt and see what the abbs look like. Its a tuff one. Cant really be both. Hell Coleman looked like shit in Muscular Development or Flex this month. If you want to gain some you have to gain some. But dude seriously I am about to PUKE. Please stop it with these post your like an anerexic girl or something. Im shure i'll be similar post contest but nothing anyone on here could tell you will be the right answer. Except monitor youself constantly, experiment, and learn every aspect of you body metabolism and chemical reactions. Once you know how you react to many different senarios you can weed out the ones that dont work and hopefully find the one that does. Then you will truly know what bodybuilding is all about. Gains will almost be fat free and planning meals will be mindless. For 3 months last year during a bulk I ate the same meal 6x a day every day. Once a week id eat a footlong from subway. Thats it. I was getting massive and holding steady on bodyfat levels. FInd you nitch. Its not impossible to do.

 

[JKurz1]

I'm sorry if my posts bother you and many times they arent gear towards me, but ?s others have asked in which I have no answer.......true, I'm scared as hell to get fatter and have it all go my waist......and not get an ounce stronger. That is my sole fear. I can deal with losing the abs if it means I will get stronger. Understand?

Here's my story.......I went from a 3 sport college (ok, D 2) athlete at 6'2, 230 and prob. 12%. My metab. was on fire, sure I cycled a little bit, but knew nothing about diet. NOTHING. Thats prob. why I got so big and strong. I was benching close to 4. I then graduated and found myself in an office for 8 hours a day. SEATED! See the prob.? I feel like a fat fuck eating all day and doing nothing. I do cardio every morning before work to keep from going insane and then I train at night. I went from a strong semi cut dude, to a frail, 180 and orob. 7%. now. Everyone says I need the weight back on to look good, but it's so hard. Help me rather than ridicule. Its not a plea, as I'm slowly learning. I cranking the bread daily the pasta and oats daily, and 3x as much as I used to. Sure its whole wheat and I weigh it (maybe a box for 4 meals) but I'm getting there.

Just havent had fast food in 6 years nor dessert. I used to slam that shit with beer, eat at the biffet 4x a time, etc. following me or am I rambling?

 

[Tweakle]

you can get fatter AND stronger and not gain any muscle while bulking... the water and the increased CNS effieciency of heavy androgens can make you stronger without any significant hypertrophy... thats why im leaning more towards long long long cycles with more moderate amounts rather than big blow the fuck up blitzes (which are super fun but expensive as hell )

just suck it down and do a cycle

 

[ryan04]

If your bulking your most likely going to put on some fat, you've just got to accept that. Keeping your diet clean and cardio will help this a lot, but when your eating 4-5000 cals a day it's pretty damn hard to not end up eating a lot of fat in there. Red meat, peanut butter and most other high cal, high protein foods that are necessary to keep up with cals when bulking (at least for me) also cantain a lot of fat. You can run some clen throughout the cycle too if you want. Unless your a gifted genetic specimen, putting on some fat when bulking is inevitable. How much you put on is up to your diet and cardio.

 

[Saint V]

you can get fatter AND stronger and not gain any muscle while bulking... the water and the increased CNS effieciency of heavy androgens can make you stronger without any significant hypertrophy... thats why im leaning more towards long long long cycles with more moderate amounts rather than big blow the fuck up blitzes (which are super fun but expensive as hell )

just suck it down and do a cycle

When you say long long long cycle, just how long are you talking? And what doses?

 

[Joe Stenson]

Where does the excess cals hit you first? I see tons of guys with drawn out faces, ripped up arms, but still have a gut. How is this possible?

Males store fat most easily in the abdominal and lower back regions.

keep in mind, hardcore train 4-5 times a week plus HIIT cardio at 3-4 times a week minimum....will this prevent it?

If you eat enough, you can still gain fat.

Finally, is it easier to overeat and have the cals used for muscle growth instead of fat storage when you are supplementing with drugs like dbol, test, etc.

Steroids help with nutrient partitioning, so yes, you have less chance of getting fat while on cycle. Note, "less chance" does not mean "no chance".

 

[JKurz1]

Calories Eaten Today
source grams cals %total
Total: 3191
Fat: 80 718 23%
Sat: 16 142 5%
Poly: 20 184 6%
Mono: 32 288 9%
Carbs: 292 962 31%
Fiber: 52 0 0%
Protein: 367 1467 47%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

 

[Joe Stenson]

Macros look good. EAT MORE THOUGH.

 

[JKurz1]

borg say 500-600g of carbs
400g of pro

 

[Joe Stenson]

Well you're almost spot-on for the protein then, but your carb intake needs some work.

 

[JKurz1]

calories are calories no? Why would it matter, as long as my protein is on point, where the rest of the cals come from? I could easily just munch on nuts, trail mix all day at my desk.......make it roasted oats and nuts and raisens and be set.

 

[Outtlaw]

calories are calories no? Why would it matter, as long as my protein is on point, where the rest of the cals come from? I could easily just munch on nuts, trail mix all day at my desk.......make it roasted oats and nuts and raisens and be set.

Im not sure what the origional question was. But I dont believe calories are calories. Try eating junk all day and I think you'll see the difference.

 

[JKurz1]

Im not sure what the origional question was. But I dont believe calories are calories. Try eating junk all day and I think you'll see the difference.

agreed. However, between good clean carb and fat cals, it wouldnt make a difference. For example if I need to add 500 cals, it wouldnt matter if I used 2 cups of oats or 4 1/2tb of anpb.

 

[mendo]

agreed. However, between good clean carb and fat cals, it wouldnt make a difference. For example if I need to add 500 cals, it wouldnt matter if I used 2 cups of oats or 4 1/2tb of anpb.

In terms of meeting the days calorie requirements in order to gain mass, you're right...it wouldn't matter. But there are some major differences that could effect your results. 1) the carbs would help you with energy for workouts much more than the fat...and 2) the fat would slow your digestion and potentially make it more difficult to get in a lot of small meals. There is also the fatc that the oats have a lot of fiber compared to the ANPB. I would try to get a little of both personally...

 

[Outtlaw]

agreed. However, between good clean carb and fat cals, it wouldnt make a difference. For example if I need to add 500 cals, it wouldnt matter if I used 2 cups of oats or 4 1/2tb of anpb.

Im not sure what anpb is (peanut butter??) but for me it does make a difference between fat and carbs. If I needed 500 extra cals, I'd much rather take it from oats than mayo or peanutbutter. I used to not care where my cals came from either, but now I think differently. Complex carbs must be broken down before they can be used or stored as fat by the body (which means the body has to use energy to do this). Fat is simply absorbed as an emulsion of fat droplets which can be immediately stored as adipose tissue. So I'd take in the carbs before I took in the fat, unless I didnt care if I gained extra fat or not.

 

[Joe Stenson]

calories are calories no? Why would it matter, as long as my protein is on point, where the rest of the cals come from? I could easily just munch on nuts, trail mix all day at my desk.......make it roasted oats and nuts and raisens and be set.

You're basically right. Get your protein and EFA's. After that it really doesn't matter. Some people have poor insulin sensitivity and handle carbs poorly; in this case, you'd want to eat more fat than carbs.