Bulker Cycle - EQ or Deca???

[ConanX]

I need to figure out what I'll need for my winter bulker which will start in December (need to get it in before the winter rush!)

I am thinking of a healthy dose of Test E, probably 600mg e/w.

I'd also like to use a kickstart and since I've never used Dbol before, I figure it is worth a try since I have heard some excellent reviews.

My question is what should I use for my 2nd injectible?

I have used both Eq and Deca before. Eq made me more veiny, Deca made me thick...but Deca was my first injectible cycle and Eq was on a cutter so I don't have enough experience yet to know which one should be used in a bulker.

I really do HATE bloat, but I want to get as much muscle mass as possible. Diet will also be extremely clean, just high in calories.

So what do you guys recommend, either Eq or Deca? I think I am leaning towards Deca since it is easier on the joints and I don't need freaky veins over the winter. But the bloat might be annoying and I want muscle mass, not bullshit water weight mass. Also, what doses do you guys recommend and what kind of ancilleries should I be using for these stacks, both during cycle and post cycle.

Thanks brothers!

 

[-SD-]

400mg/wk either EQ or Deca. HCG maybe 250iu 2x week throughout cycle.

 

[hurricane]

deca for bulker

 

[wolfman87]

that's a tough question bro. personally i would go with eq for appetite stimulation (a lot less water too) but a lot of people like deca as well. it's just a judgment call, either one will work.

 

[jumpmaster82]

Test deca and dbol is probably my favorite bulker, it's classic easy and I've ran this cycle 4 times and was very happy with the results. On the other hand though I also love me some test and eq cycles. But in my experience if your going for pure mass and size deca would be the better choice. Eq's gains are similar to decas but the gains you make from eq will be a little leaner.

 

[ConanX]

deca for bulker

Thanks. I am sort of leaning towards Deca anyway. At what dosage will I have to worry about prog issues? Should I run bromo while on cycle or during PCT?

 

[ConanX]

Test deca and dbol is probably my favorite bulker, it's classic easy and I've ran this cycle 4 times and was very happy with the results. On the other hand though I also love me some test and eq cycles. But in my experience if your going for pure mass and size deca would be the better choice. Eq's gains are similar to decas but the gains you make from eq will be a little leaner.

I will plan on a massive cut for spring/summer so this will be my time to pack on mass...but still want to see an ab outline though and keep water weight/fat gain to minimum. Should be possible with super clean diet and cardio here and there if needed.

 

[HAYEZ]

well this will have no bloat

test 600mg ew 1-12
deca 400mg ew 1-10
tren 50mg eod 1-8
dbol 40mg ed 1-4

dbol isnt really needed in that cycle but if you want it run it/// the test deca and tren together will add ton of size and the tren will keep you dry

 

[eClenbuterol]

Test + Deca + dbol + arimidex, you will grow well

 

[ConanX]

Eclen, how much adex on cycle do you recommend?

well this will have no bloat

test 600mg ew 1-12
deca 400mg ew 1-10
tren 50mg eod 1-8
dbol 40mg ed 1-4

dbol isnt really needed in that cycle but if you want it run it/// the test deca and tren together will add ton of size and the tren will keep you dry

I totally hear ya Hayez. I love Tren. It's doing great things for me now. I am just not sure if I want to run it again in winter and then again for a cutter. It is supposedly very toxic and I don't know if it's a good idea to use so much. The other problem is the Tren+Deca combination. I have read your posts how you are a big-time advocate of this, but the side affects would seem catastrophic to me. I'm all ears though.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I ran deca a number of times for my first few cycles... I HATED the bloat... I looked like a friggin' watermelon and when everything was over, I had little to show for it... so, big friggin' deal if you gain considerably more with deca over say, EQ... if they're not SUSTAINABLE gains, why bother... of course, everyone's different... and of course, it's been said before and this won't be the last time... it's not the AAS that makes it a bulker or cutter necessarily, it's your DIET... true, some compounds have some proported lypolitic actions, but it's your diet in the end. Just my 3 cents.

 

[ConanX]

I ran deca a number of times for my first few cycles... I HATED the bloat... I looked like a friggin' watermelon and when everything was over, I had little to show for it... so, big friggin' deal if you gain considerably more with deca over say, EQ... if they're not SUSTAINABLE gains, why bother... of course, everyone's different... and of course, it's been said before and this won't be the last time... it's not the AAS that makes it a bulker or cutter necessarily, it's your DIET... true, some compounds have some proported lypolitic actions, but it's your diet in the end. Just my 3 cents.

Last thing I want is to gain 30lbs and wind up with a 10lbs net gain when all is said and done...

Thanks man.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Last thing I want is to gain 30lbs and wind up with a 10lbs net gain when all is said and done...

Thanks man.

Exactly... I've never run EQ, but given your goals out of this next cycle, I would personally do the EQ... plus everyone says how it increases your appetite...can't go wrong when all you want to do is EAT...and if you're eating as clean as you typically do, you're gonna grow, no doubt!

 

[HAYEZ]

Eq blows ass

deca aNd tren no big deal take cabergoline with it. Tren isn't toxic it's myth. 10 weeks T 100 mg Ed my bloodwork came back perfect

 

[ConanX]

Eq blows ass

deca aNd tren no big deal take cabergoline with it. Tren isn't toxic it's myth. 10 weeks T 100 mg Ed my bloodwork came back perfect

Thank you for sharing Hayez! Definitely opens some doors...

 

[HAYEZ]

I've ran tren almost a year now with a few 6 week breaks. I'm having bloodwork next week. See how it goes

 

[dark-knight]

I've ran tren almost a year now with a few 6 week breaks. I'm having bloodwork next week. See how it goes

post up ya results if ya can mate

 

[OmniScience]

well this will have no bloat

test 600mg ew 1-12
deca 400mg ew 1-10
tren 50mg eod 1-8
dbol 40mg ed 1-4

dbol isnt really needed in that cycle but if you want it run it/// the test deca and tren together will add ton of size and the tren will keep you dry

That will defiantly cause bloat brother, I am not calling you out by anymeans. DBOL BLOATS, TEST BLOATS, DECA BLOATS, you cannot expect TREN at 50MG EOD to stop all this bloat, an AI is needed as well. Again I mean no offense what so ever brother.

 

[njmuscleguy]

That will defiantly cause bloat brother, I am not calling you out by anymeans. DBOL BLOATS, TEST BLOATS, DECA BLOATS, you cannot expect TREN at 50MG EOD to stop all this bloat, an AI is needed as well. Again I mean no offense what so ever brother.

yah seriously... I just LOOK at deca and I bloat up.... add in dbol and test...it's Good Year city.... tren or not... hell, even with an AI

 

[HAYEZ]

That will defiantly cause bloat brother, I am not calling you out by anymeans. DBOL BLOATS, TEST BLOATS, DECA BLOATS, you cannot expect TREN at 50MG EOD to stop all this bloat, an AI is needed as well. Again I mean no offense what so ever brother.

I told him the dbol wasn't needed. If you take it you will bloat
as for the deca if you take tren you won't bloat. My last cycle was 700 deca ew 75 tren Ed. I stayed just as lean as if I was on tren alone. Same thing cycle before was 600 deca 700 tren. Lean gains no bloat.
Don't believe me try it out

 

[ConanX]

How about just forgetting about Dbol then. I do have a 4 week supply of Needto's Beastdrol which I could use as a winter kickstart. I have arimidex and I can use that during the cycle also to help keep bloat minimal. Oral Turanibol any good? I still get mixed reviews on it.

Thanks bros.

 

[SuperStrong]

i personally would go with eq because deca is more suppressive and deca you may have to deal with deca's prog related sides. Eq may increase appetite and is more "user-friendly" and may keep most gains from Eq.

 

[ConanX]

i personally would go with eq because deca is more suppressive and deca you may have to deal with deca's prog related sides. Eq may increase appetite and is more "user-friendly" and may keep most gains from Eq.

You think the Eq will give me solid, lean gains just with less bloat than Deca, huh? Deca may make me feel like shit because of the bloat.

I am still not ready for a Tren/Deca cycle, Hayez. Even if it is side affect free, I think I would have the prog sides haunting me mentally...

 

[HAYEZ]

lmfao..only sides from deca you can get can easily be avoided by taking cabergoline...just like you take adex for estrogen control...good luck with the eq..ive had some about 4 years now rotting because its worthless lmao

 

[ConanX]

lmfao..only sides from deca you can get can easily be avoided by taking cabergoline...just like you take adex for estrogen control...good luck with the eq..ive had some about 4 years now rotting because its worthless lmao

Gotchya bro...I have heard about Deca 300mg/ml. I'm thinking a cycle like this maybe...

Weeks 1-4: Dbol 40mg e/w
Weeks 1-10: Test E 600mg e/w
Weeks 1-9: Deca: 600mg e/w
Weeks 1-10: Adex .5 EOD

PCT: Clomid and Adex. HCG if I can obtain any. Bromo on hand. Will try to get Caber if that is superior.

Any thoughts of adding maybe 40mg oral Winny weeks 8-11 maybe to get some more minor gains and to remove bloat, or will Adex take care of this and the winny won't be anabolic enough to make a difference? Thanks.

 

[njmuscleguy]

lmfao..only sides from deca you can get can easily be avoided by taking cabergoline...just like you take adex for estrogen control...good luck with the eq..ive had some about 4 years now rotting because its worthless lmao

everyone's got their opinions bro...AND their experiences... I can't speak about EQ, because I've never used it...but tons of guys here have and they love it... so it can't be that "worthless", can it?

for you to say that the only sides this guy is gonna get from deca are ones that cabergoline can fix kinda blows my mind... especially because you're a "mentor" here

just cuz YOU don't get any sides with deca, tren, or BOTH, doesn't mean tons of other people won't... me personally, I had the worst sides with deca alone...even while running high dosage of dostinex AND an AI...dostinex doesn't help with deca bloat... neither does an AI...and I loved tren, but it gave me gyno, even with dostinex and an AI...

not everyone's lucky enough to get the great results you've gotten... so keep that in mind

 

[njmuscleguy]

Bro... if you're curious to try d-bol, then go for it, just to try it... but if you're really concerned about bloat or unsure what results you're gonna get with d-bol and not willing to risk it at this time, then you've tried beastrol before and you know that is tried and true for you...so go for that... choice is yours now

Gotchya bro...I have heard about Deca 300mg/ml. I'm thinking a cycle like this maybe...

Weeks 1-4: Dbol 40mg e/w
Weeks 1-10: Test E 600mg e/w
Weeks 1-9: Deca: 600mg e/w
Weeks 1-10: Adex .5 EOD

PCT: Clomid and Adex. HCG if I can obtain any. Bromo on hand. Will try to get Caber if that is superior.

Any thoughts of adding maybe 40mg oral Winny weeks 8-11 maybe to get some more minor gains and to remove bloat, or will Adex take care of this and the winny won't be anabolic enough to make a difference? Thanks.

 

[ConanX]

Bro... if you're curious to try d-bol, then go for it, just to try it... but if you're really concerned about bloat or unsure what results you're gonna get with d-bol and not willing to risk it at this time, then you've tried beastrol before and you know that is tried and true for you...so go for that... choice is yours now

Thanks man. I got the supply of Beastdrol so I may just use that and save some money and not worry about the Dbol sides. If I can get it cheap and my trainer thinks I should go with the D, I'll try it out.

Otherwise, I think the cycle previously posted will be my official winter plan.

 

[HAYEZ]

everyone's got their opinions bro...AND their experiences... I can't speak about EQ, because I've never used it...but tons of guys here have and they love it... so it can't be that "worthless", can it?

for you to say that the only sides this guy is gonna get from deca are ones that cabergoline can fix kinda blows my mind... especially because you're a "mentor" here

just cuz YOU don't get any sides with deca, tren, or BOTH, doesn't mean tons of other people won't... me personally, I had the worst sides with deca alone...even while running high dosage of dostinex AND an AI...dostinex doesn't help with deca bloat... neither does an AI...and I loved tren, but it gave me gyno, even with dostinex and an AI...

not everyone's lucky enough to get the great results you've gotten... so keep that in mind

The people I know that use cabergoline have had no issues. Biggest complaint of defa is limp dick. Use caber and it's not a issue. People say they didn't recover from deca? It's because they didn't use caber and after cycle there deca sides are still there because they never fixed it. I don't listen to 90% of the Internet crybabies. It's mainly repeated garbage and they don't even have any real world experience.
I tried eq a few times up to 800mg ew and it didn't give me anywhere near the gains of deca. Gave me anxiety and heart palpulations everytime.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'm not disputing YOUR experience bro... but clearly you're disputing MINE... deca dick wasn't my only problem while using deca, and like I said, I took cabergoline and proper PCT.... I have lots of "real world experience".... this ain't my first time at the rodeo...and despite my varied experience, I still don't make absolute blanket statements because I know not everyone is the same...

Appreciate the props though.... I don't think I've ever been called an "internet crybaby" before

The people I know that use cabergoline have had no issues. Biggest complaint of defa is limp dick. Use caber and it's not a issue. People say they didn't recover from deca? It's because they didn't use caber and after cycle there deca sides are still there because they never fixed it. I don't listen to 90% of the Internet crybabies. It's mainly repeated garbage and they don't even have any real world experience.
I tried eq a few times up to 800mg ew and it didn't give me anywhere near the gains of deca. Gave me anxiety and heart palpulations everytime.

 

[HAYEZ]

I'm not disputing YOUR experience bro... but clearly you're disputing MINE... deca dick wasn't my only problem while using deca, and like I said, I took cabergoline and proper PCT.... I have lots of "real world experience".... this ain't my first time at the rodeo...and despite my varied experience, I still don't make absolute blanket statements because I know not everyone is the same...

Appreciate the props though.... I don't think I've ever been called an "internet crybaby" before

I wasn't saying you were a Internet crybaby , you took that wrong way that wasn't directed at you. I was talking about most the garbage that comes from peoples mouths on forums.
Sorry your deca experiences were not good. For me I dont have a complain in the world.

 

[ConanX]

Alright, so again, what do you guys think about this cycle here...

Weeks 1-4: Dbol 40mg e/w
Weeks 1-10: Test E 600mg e/w
Weeks 1-9: Deca: 600mg e/w
Weeks 1-10: adex .5 EOD

PCT: Clomid and adex. hcg if I can obtain any. Bromo on hand. Will try to get Caber if that is superior.


Should the Adex be bumped up or lowered? Is Aromasin better? And for the Deca sides, what should I have on hand. I want to do this cycle right since every cycle I always get the juice but the ancilleries never seem to come through in time or get botched up. I will get everything together before the cycle so I do things right.

Thank you.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I think you meant 40mg dbol ED?

Cycle looks fine... adex dosage is good for starters...after the first couple weeks, just see where you are with esto sides (bloat, etc) and you can adjust accordingly....take that dosage ED if you need to... Aromasin is stronger, you may not need it. You can take 0.25mg dostinex twice a week and see what it does in terms of your libido and gyno symptoms (since that's all dostinex works for).

Alright, so again, what do you guys think about this cycle here...

Weeks 1-4: Dbol 40mg e/w
Weeks 1-10: Test E 600mg e/w
Weeks 1-9: Deca: 600mg e/w
Weeks 1-10: adex .5 EOD

PCT: Clomid and adex. hcg if I can obtain any. Bromo on hand. Will try to get Caber if that is superior.


Should the Adex be bumped up or lowered? Is Aromasin better? And for the Deca sides, what should I have on hand. I want to do this cycle right since every cycle I always get the juice but the ancilleries never seem to come through in time or get botched up. I will get everything together before the cycle so I do things right.

Thank you.

 

[ConanX]

I think you meant 40mg dbol ED?

Cycle looks fine... adex dosage is good for starters...after the first couple weeks, just see where you are with esto sides (bloat, etc) and you can adjust accordingly....take that dosage ED if you need to... Aromasin is stronger, you may not need it. You can take 0.25mg dostinex twice a week and see what it does in terms of your libido and gyno symptoms (since that's all dostinex works for).

Yeah ED man lol, thanks for the correction.

Ok, thank you. I will make sure to have more than enough Adex in case I need to bump it and a good amount of Dostinex in case gyno starts to occur. Thanks a lot.

 

[RickO'Shea]

CONAN!? You runnin more shit already? Damn dude I know its in a couple o months but be safe homey....plus your going to look so ripped and huge your going to get the FED's pitchin tents outside your house man!

No really though, Good luck with everything bro. PS I gotta send you a PM about sum shtuff

 

[njmuscleguy]

I wanna look jacked like Conan!

CONAN!? You runnin more shit already? Damn dude I know its in a couple o months but be safe homey....plus your going to look so ripped and huge your going to get the FED's pitchin tents outside your house man!

No really though, Good luck with everything bro. PS I gotta send you a PM about sum shtuff

 

[2DIEZEL]

Why not just run both....

 

[ConanX]

Lmao thanks for all the help guys.
I'm sure Test+EQ+Deca could be run together...I don't want to approach a 2 gram cycle though so it would probably be like 400mg Deca 400mg Eq 600mg Test. I'm assuming this would be better than say Test + Deca 600 with no EQ? Haven't heard much about this stack...

 

[burnthiscorpse]

CONAN......I assume your test E is either 200 or 300 mg per ml since you are planning 600mg. so here...........

Wk 1-10, 700(or 750) mg Test E

Wk 1-9, 150mg NPP EOD

.5mg adex E3D. Move to EOD if you need to. Keep Caber around. Done.

 

[ConanX]

CONAN......I assume your test E is either 200 or 300 mg per ml since you are planning 600mg. so here...........

Wk 1-10, 700(or 750) mg Test E

Wk 1-9, 150mg NPP EOD

.5mg adex E3D. Move to EOD if you need to. Keep Caber around. Done.

Never tried NPP. I will have to research more about it. Thanks for the suggestion brother.

Yeah, hopefully I can grab the 300mg/ml Test. If not, then it'll be 250mg/ml so I'll just work it out so it makes sense and I don't have to waste syringes.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Never tried NPP. I will have to research more about it. Thanks for the suggestion brother.

Yeah, hopefully I can grab the 300mg/ml Test. If not, then it'll be 250mg/ml so I'll just work it out so it makes sense and I don't have to waste syringes.

BigTrav is one of the NPP gurus i know of. All my research points to all the benefits of deca without the water and bloat. There are a few exceptions with people that dont do well with nandrolones but not many. Most say its "better deca".

 

[2DIEZEL]

My winter bulk cycle will be with bot EQ and deca.

1200mgs test-e
900mgs EQ
600mgs deca

Its gonna be a nice winter.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'm definitely one of those "exceptions", and not the only one either....NPP for me was pretty much the same as regular 'ol deca as far as performance, sides, and recovery....go figure!

BigTrav is one of the NPP gurus i know of. All my research points to all the benefits of deca without the water and bloat. There are a few exceptions with people that dont do well with nandrolones but not many. Most say its "better deca".

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I'm definitely one of those "exceptions", and not the only one either....NPP for me was pretty much the same as regular 'ol deca as far as performance, sides, and recovery....go figure!

YEah, you were the one I thought of when I wrote that.