building the perfect beast natually

[mrburshank]

has anyone read this book (building the perfect beast natually,the author wrote chemical muscle enhancement and building the perfect beast),or applied what's in it with any great success. gear is too risky must find another way to blow up.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Normally I wouldn't be so blatent but since you're asking about supps...

The "Unleashed/MyogenX/Big Blast" stack from Protein factory is about as effective as anything you can get drug free. That, and a good multi is all you need for the first year.

 

[niv]

has anyone read this book (building the perfect beast natually,the author wrote chemical muscle enhancement and building the perfect beast),or applied what's in it with any great success. gear is too risky must find another way to blow up.

you can not blow up with out gear no matter what people are trying to sell you.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

you can not blow up with out gear no matter what people are trying to sell you.

You can get decently far. It's expensive, but some of the top natural BB'ers look decent, and they're mostly clean.

It's more expensive than gear though.

 

[njmuscleguy]

you can not blow up with out gear no matter what people are trying to sell you.

"Blowing up" is subjective dude... I didn't start AAS until my late 20's, but for several years prior to that, people always asked me if I was juicing... the most I ever did back then was creatine and protein. A person can achieve sizable gains without AAS given a good diet, workout routine, enough sleep, and some OTC supplements thrown in for good measure. Now if blowing-up is gaining a quick 20-30 lbs of mostly water and fat, then sure, AAS can do that for you in alot of cases (but why would you want that?)

 

[Anthony Roberts]

If you want to stay Natural and get an edge, use MyoGenX and Unleashed, plus your vitamins and protein supps...

They're not Tren + Test gains, but you'll look better than 90% of the people in your gym if you do everything else right and take those supps.

It's not going to win you the Olympia, but it'll help you look and perform better.

 

[muscleup]

While I think some very much indeed are clean, I think even in the "natural" side of the sport people are still enhancing one way or the other{GH,Fast acting esters,peptides, etc}....I have known "natural" guys who juice year around and come off right before the show and claim they are all natural....I have seen guys beat poly's and all, and will fucking swear that they are a lifetime drug free athlete only to find out they bought gear from someone I know...LOL.

Natural is not so natural these days.

Nothing wrong with supps though they can make a difference...depending on which ones you use.

When I first started training the EAS shit worked great for me, may sound funny now but it really did work.....I was not huge but I was lean as fuck. Of course I dieted like hell, but the supps did help.

You can get decently far. It's expensive, but some of the top natural BB'ers look decent, and they're mostly clean.

It's more expensive than gear though.

 

[bighippie11]

yeah imo the price just isn't worth it... after protein, creatine and the other supps you add in you're spending way too much money for what you're going to get out of it. not to mention that the majority of the supps out there aren't worth crap anyway, and many on this board are promoters of different companies so don't solely go on one or two peoples suggestions

 

[Anthony Roberts]

While I think some very much indeed are clean, I think even in the "natural" side of the sport people are still enhancing one way or the other{GH,Fast acting esters,peptides, etc}....I have known "natural" guys who juice year around and come off right before the show and claim they are all natural....I have seen guys beat poly's and all, and will fucking swear that they are a lifetime drug free athlete only to find out they bought gear from someone I know...LOL.

Natural is not so natural these days.

Nothing wrong with supps though they can make a difference...depending on which ones you use.

When I first started training the EAS shit worked great for me, may sound funny now but it really did work.....I was not huge but I was lean as fuck. Of course I dieted like hell, but the supps did help.

EAS worked for me, Biotest worked for me, etc...I came out with a supplement that works for people, etc...a lot of things work...

Steroids work better. I've never been pro-steroids for it's own sake, I've always been Pro-Results. If someone wants to exclude gear (for whatever personal reason) then I think supps will make a huge difference. Even for steroid users, they'll make a difference, but I see it more specifically, and for certain purposes.

It also depends on "natural" and it's definition. Some people define natural as "not banned" which means there's a lot of leeway....some people define it as "can pass a drug test" which is also broad....

 

[niv]

"Blowing up" is subjective dude... I didn't start AAS until my late 20's, but for several years prior to that, people always asked me if I was juicing... the most I ever did back then was creatine and protein. A person can achieve sizable gains without AAS given a good diet, workout routine, enough sleep, and some OTC supplements thrown in for good measure. Now if blowing-up is gaining a quick 20-30 lbs of mostly water and fat, then sure, AAS can do that for you in alot of cases (but why would you want that?)

no no no, im not even talkin about 'oh are you on steroids, cause you looked jacked' im talkin bout the next level where its just obvious the guys juicing

 

[niv]

If you want to stay Natural and get an edge, use MyoGenX and Unleashed, plus your vitamins and protein supps...

They're not Tren + Test gains, but you'll look better than 90% of the people in your gym if you do everything else right and take those supps.

It's not going to win you the Olympia, but it'll help you look and perform better.

aahhhh !! everyone's always trying to sell somethin here! what happened to just givin out advice!! you can't do anything with those crappy supps and you CANNOT gain REAL muscle with ANY kind of supp unless some roids fell in there by mistake!

 

[Nelson Montana]

aahhhh !! everyone's always trying to sell somethin here! what happened to just givin out advice!! you can't do anything with those crappy supps and you CANNOT gain REAL muscle with ANY kind of supp unless some roids fell in there by mistake!

A completely ignorant statement.

As an adult, and with lousy genetics, I gained 30 pounds of muscle at 9% BF in 2 years. COMPLETELY DRUG FREE.

I worked out at a gym in the 80's where nobody there ever saw a steroid. Many of those guys looked better than most of the guys posting pics on this board.

Guys like Larry Scott, Dave Draper, Sergio Oliva , Don Howorth and yes Arnold, took dosages that were a fraction of what I see recommened for first timers. No one wants to accept that because they'd then have to admit they haven't got the guts,genetics, and work ethic necessary to look that good.

Sure lots of supps are crap. I've said so myself. And most supplement manufacturers are just salesman. But when you have experts like Anthony or someone like myself who's been doing this for almost 40 years designing stuff with the bodybuilder in mind and they've been show to improve muscle growth, even a litte, well, f*ck dude, a lot of people want that little bit of an advantage and will take it. If you don't, you don't have to.

Guys like you need to step back from the keyboard more and get a little closer to the weight rack.

 

[needtogetaas]

EAS worked for me, Biotest worked for me, etc...I came out with a supplement that works for people, etc...a lot of things work...

Steroids work better. I've never been pro-steroids for it's own sake, I've always been Pro-Results. If someone wants to exclude gear (for whatever personal reason) then I think supps will make a huge difference. Even for steroid users, they'll make a difference, but I see it more specifically, and for certain purposes.

It also depends on "natural" and it's definition. Some people define natural as "not banned" which means there's a lot of leeway....some people define it as "can pass a drug test" which is also broad....

ya there is still some really good stuff otc that works that you will not pass a drug test if you take.....like dermacrin boost for one.

 

[muscleup]

sheeeesh man.....You pimp the fuck out of this stuff....not saying its not any good, but almost every post I have seen you make in the past 2 days you are talking about dermacrin.

Use anything else ?

ya there is still some really good stuff otc that works that you will not pass a drug test if you take.....like dermacrin boost for one.

 

[needtogetaas]

sheeeesh man.....You pimp the fuck out of this stuff....not saying its not any good, but almost every post I have seen you make in the past 2 days you are talking about dermacrin.

Use anything else ?

ya lot of stuff from custom caps and just started a cycle....wont be using any more derma till my cycle is over.

 

[muscleup]

custom caps is yours correct ?

ya lot of stuff from custom caps and just started a cycle....wont be using any more derma till my cycle is over.

 

[needtogetaas]

custom caps is yours correct ?

no.

 

[niv]

A completely ignorant statement.

As an adult, and with lousy genetics, I gained 30 pounds of muscle at 9% BF in 2 years. COMPLETELY DRUG FREE.

I worked out at a gym in the 80's where nobody there ever saw a steroid. Many of those guys looked better than most of the guys posting pics on this board.

Guys like Larry Scott, Dave Draper, Sergio Oliva , Don Howorth and yes Arnold, took dosages that were a fraction of what I see recommened for first timers. No one wants to accept that because they'd then have to admit they haven't got the guts,genetics, and work ethic necessary to look that good.

Sure lots of supps are crap. I've said so myself. And most supplement manufacturers are just salesman. But when you have experts like Anthony or someone like myself who's been doing this for almost 40 years designing stuff with the bodybuilder in mind and they've been show to improve muscle growth, even a litte, well, f*ck dude, a lot of people want that little bit of an advantage and will take it. If you don't, you don't have to.

Guys like you need to step back from the keyboard more and get a little closer to the weight rack.

have you ever taken any anatomy lessons ever?? if you will in the future you'll know that BB size is impossible with out roids.. but i can tell you haven't since you actually recommend 75 reps for calves which by itself shows you are an idiot.. you are a no body

 

[silver_shadow]

hey NM long time no see!

 

[Nelson Montana]

have you ever taken any anatomy lessons ever?? if you will in the future you'll know that BB size is impossible with out roids.. but i can tell you haven't since you actually recommend 75 reps for calves which by itself shows you are an idiot.. you are a no body

wow

 

[Anthony Roberts]

aahhhh !! everyone's always trying to sell somethin here! what happened to just givin out advice!! you can't do anything with those crappy supps and you CANNOT gain REAL muscle with ANY kind of supp unless some roids fell in there by mistake!

But the question is about training naturally...so talking about supps is appropriate, right?

As for not being able to gain any real muscle with any kind of supp...c'mon...that's a bit silly...

 

[needtogetaas]

But the question is about training naturally...so talking about supps is appropriate, right?

As for not being able to gain any real muscle with any kind of supp...c'mon...that's a bit silly...

I thought so