Bridging

[Chrisco915]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............I get you.

As for the "Crusing is a great option for those who are OLDER "........I resemble that remark.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I think the issue is why ''bridge'' i.e. use smaller amounts why not simply stay on as that is effectively what is happening just at a lower dosage for what benefit?

Wrongun!

Exactly what I'm getting at.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I never said you don't look great my friend. I am not insulting you, I am simply stating the facts. The POINT is that at my level of muscular development, bridging becomes very important.

well, you did insult me...for you to say something like I don't understand or you don't need because you don't look that great or you're not an advanced bodybuilder is pretty insulting...

For you to come out of the blue, because of a lack of argument, post pictures of yourself and try to say "this is why I bridge" and try to make the argument personal is pretty week...learn how to defend your arguments without making it personal...I understand why so many people on this board have so many problems with you

 

[ryno9000]

Ha, this thread wasn't exactly what I had in mind but it's been decently entertaining and almost informative!

 

[the_alcatraz]

So, we all agree that bridging will still supress you but not as much as being on a big cycle.

The issue we disagree on is the fact that whether or not a bridge is safe, necessary and/or realistic.

One opinion says that the bridge is done to link two diff. big cycles to help maintain gains without being very supressive.

The other opinion says that a bridge will further supress you because you are already out of a very supressive cycle, and without proper PCT you can harm yourself and be supressed for good.

It seems we are not coming to an agreement, so it's up to you to determine which works for you best.

 

[IronmanLV]

I don't know why you guys are making this personal, because you're both right on certain points. TA you are correct, there is no such thing as "cruising" or "bridging". You are either on or off like a light switch. Ross, there is no such thing as being a little bit pregnant either and that's what you are implying by saying either of those two words. It all boils down to your goals.

Ross is right in the fact that once your gains have exceeded what your body can achieve naturally, I don't give a rat's ass about PCT, training and diet, you can NOT maintain that level naturally, you need to stay on to maintain what you have or to continue to grow period.

That level of muscularity is different for all of us and for you guys to bag on each other's accomplishments is wrong. You both look good. TA, if you can go off and maintain that's great keep up the good work, but don't put Ross down if he needs to stay on to maintain his level. It's all about individual differences.

Yes, if you stay on for too long then you risk being shut down permanently. If you are willing to accept that consequence again, that is a personal decision that only you can determine, then you will be on HRT/TRT the rest of your life. That's a big decision and not one to be taken lightly.

I'm a lifer. I am 51 y/o and have been using since the early 1980's. I am an IFBB pro and have had my pro card for nearly 20 yrs. I occasionally compete in shows so to maintain my level (5' 9", 240-275 lbs and between 6-10% B/F) I stay on yr round. Fortunately I have had no negative sides and I am under a Dr's care to stay healthy. It can be done you just have to be responsible and being blessed with good genes doesn't hurt either.

Peace!

 

[the_alcatraz]

I don't know why you guys are making this personal, because you're both right on certain points. TA you are correct, there is no such thing as "cruising" or "bridging". You are either on or off like a light switch. Ross, there is no such thing as being a little bit pregnant either and that's what you are implying by saying either of those two words. It all boils down to your goals.

Ross is right in the fact that once your gains have exceeded what your body can achieve naturally, I don't give a rat's ass about PCT, training and diet, you can NOT maintain that level naturally, you need to stay on to maintain what you have or to continue to grow period.

That level of muscularity is different for all of us and for you guys to bag on each other's accomplishments is wrong. You both look good. TA, if you can go off and maintain that's great keep up the good work, but don't put Ross down if he needs to stay on to maintain his level. It's all about individual differences.

Yes, if you stay on for too long then you risk being shut down permanently. If you are willing to accept that consequence again, that is a personal decision that only you can determine, then you will be on HRT/TRT the rest of your life. That's a big decision and not one to be taken lightly.

I'm a lifer. I am 51 y/o and have been using since the early 1980's. I am an IFBB pro and have had my pro card for nearly 20 yrs. I occasionally compete in shows so to maintain my level (5' 9", 240-275 lbs and between 6-10% B/F) I stay on yr round. Fortunately I have had no negative sides and I am under a Dr's care to stay healthy. It can be done you just have to be responsible and being blessed with good genes doesn't hurt either.

Peace!

That's actually a pretty good post bro...

And you are right, to each his own.

I just believe that unless you're an IFBB pro or competting / doing this for a living, then risking getting shutdown for life is not worth it IMO.

I'm still 24 years old and I have two jobs and I'm married...I cannot afford being shutdown, lol...

It's all good anyways...

As my above post established, there are two sides to a coin...Ross and I are on opposite sides...

 

[galaxy]

Well by briding or cruising at lower doses your body will keep its added mass, thus your gains become more permanent in my opinion as your body will look to be in a state of homeostasis and the longer your at you higher body weight the more you body will want to stay there.

I love the idea of cruising/bridging if you main objective is to keep getting bigger.

Im a a big advocate of staying on for longer periods of time. I hate the yo yoing from just doing 3 months cycles and coming off just too lose.

Best cycles i have done have been 9 months plus with blasts of higher doses and then back down to cruise doses.

HCG and clomid at 2 week intervals every couple months is a neccesity tho for recovery.

 

[galaxy]

Also with this method i find that when I do go back "On" I can get away with lower doses as my bulk dosages then from before. IE: I dont need 2g's anymore. I actually grow just as well on 500mgs to get back to where I was on 2000mgs. Why? Dont know. My only guess is that Ive tricked my body into being 250lbs all the time with my cruise doses. For example, what 2000mgs in the past took me too, I can now get too with 500mgs. If you follow what Im saying.

Again, not for everyone, but this is what works for me.

Definately always two sides to the coin.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Galaxy, do you feel like you have gotten less supressed by doing this?

Have you managed to keep all your gains? and what's the longest you stay on?