Brand new roid!!

[sucker for supplements]

Its by vpx sports and its called placebocomplicatedwordotine with ourproductsdofuckallodine - its a complex formula of bullshit and washing up liquid and boasts 1094% improvement over any current leading steroid,

consumers comments..
"wow, when i took this i grew by 7feet and gained 320lbs of rock hard muscle and im now at 0% bodyfat -all this over night!
i even got a free blow job"

thats right, all youve got to do is stack this product with every one of our products (a total of 63) and each one is a minimum of $989.00.
we will ship it over to you over night.
unless of course we dont bother and make out customs took it instead.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Sounds like 1-AD.

 

[sucker for supplements]

really?!
good job i didnt order that earlier then!
it was a toss up between 1-ad and 4-ad..

 

[Nelson Montana]

4 -AD is just as ineffective, but you get more estrogen bloat.

 

[dzuljas]

 

[sucker for supplements]

when you say 'ineffective' is this from personal experience?
a very reliable PT recomended it (obviously hgh is gonna be better but i aint up for being a pin cushion).
everyone is different i suppose. (plus i didnt get 4-ad either but thats the one i favoured..)

 

[baza]

when you say 'ineffective' is this from personal experience?
a very reliable PT recomended it (obviously hgh is gonna be better but i aint up for being a pin cushion).
everyone is different i suppose. (plus i didnt get 4-ad either but thats the one i favoured..)

I don't usually listen to PTs, since 90% of them don't even look like they work out.

 

[John G]

Nelson

I have done a few 1-ad cycles in the past. How can you explain the increase in muscle mass? Not Bodyfat? My muscles were harder also? What about the increase in strength? There have been several before and afters with 1-ad and results were noticeable and real. I have to disagree with your comments on 1-ad.

 

[Triple J]

1AD

In my experience 1AD is quite effective. And the cost benefit ratio is not that bad. At DPS you can pick up three bottles for about $100 bucks and that is not out-of-line for a six week cycle that can produce similiar results to a mild AAS cycle.

One of the problems you see with products like 1AD is since they are OTC, you get an unusually high assortment of ninnies, newbies, and retards who could not identify their own latissimus dorsi muscle. Plus they go crying mommy at the first sign of any sides. And are unaware of the prospect for recovery therapy.

It is too bad some people want to shitcan all OTC supplements cause they have had some bad experiences, and I know, there are plenty of rip-offs out there. But some of these new prosteroids and anti-e's are quite good. But don't worry, they will soon be illegal. Does that make you happy, Nelson? That Big Brother is protecting us from the evil supplement company's giving us anything that actually works.

 

[BigDan650dl]

whatever you say guys! both 1-AD and 4-AD are a load of shit, I'm sure if you were to stack either one with fina then it would be effective!

 

[liftsiron]

I believe that 1-AD is somewhat effective, especially for strength gains. In my opinion about 20% as effective as, let's say 10mg of d-bol daily, but with more unwanted sides such as oily skin and acne.

 

[Ulter]

"In my experience 1AD is quite effective. And the cost benefit ratio is not that bad. At DPS you can pick up three bottles for about $100 bucks and that is not out-of-line for a six week cycle that can produce similiar results to a mild AAS cycle."

And just which mild AAS do you think it is as effective as?


Ah common ground. Finally. On this subject you guys would do well to listen to Nelson Montana.
10% of the gains of AS with 80% of the sides. Gee sign me up for 1-AD.

 

[Nelson Montana]

utter: We may have different perspectives but common ground is always good -- and can always be found.

liftsiron: 10% of 20mgs sounds about right. That's 2 mgs and you know that won't do a thing. Meanwhile, you'll retain water (also known as "muscle gains" to wishful thinkers). And you'll lose your libido. Wonderful stuff.

The world would be a better place if steroids were legal and prohormones weren't.
And TripleJ: That Big Brother bit is bullshit. The supplement companies dont give a flying fuck about your civil liberties. They just want your money.

 

[MoreBeefPlease]

those gains sound just like an advertisement i read for muscletech products.

 

[JP@Ironology]

High Sides for Little Gain...No Thanks.

Been there done that.

 

[Triple J]

There are plenty of people who have used 1AD to pack on 8-15 pounds of solid muscle in a 6-8 week cycle so just name the AAS of your choice. I am speaking from experience here, and I have plenty of AAS experience in my background.

Now we can debate sides vs. gains all day long but the fact and science is, that these compounds are hormones. So if you think steroids should be legal and prohormones illegal, there is just no rational basis for that argument.

I can't believe some people are not willing to acknowledge some of the work being done, for instance at Ergopharm and Molecular Nutrition, is innovative and resulting in some useful products - so what if they make some money in the process!! Do you think these products, or steroids in general, are going to get any cheaper once they are further outlawed and controlled?

I prefer business has the ability to innovate and create effective compounds, and I would rather they have the ability to continue to innovate. The consumer will ultimately decide which products are effective and which are not. Of course business wants my dollars, just like the medical community, rags, gyms, black market dealers, and everybody else. I just prefer to make my own informed choices about who gets it.

 

[descartes]

I have tried 4-D orally, topically (with and without Fina) and injectable. Oral increased my libido slightly, gave me minimal muscle and strength gains but did give me some pretty strong estrogen related sides. Topical (without Fina) gave me a better increase in libido, strength and size than the oral did, but I had to take Nolva with it though because I started having problems with gyno. Injectable gave me an amazing boost in libido, decent muscle gains, great strength increase and decent fat loss. However, my first time around I got very sick for about 7-10 days (fever, aching...) and injection sites hurt worse than anything else I have ever taken (including TNE, suspension... even IP Sust). Estrogen related sides were similar to topical, but slightly more "worth it" given that the gains were significantly better. The worst shot was a 3cc injection in my right glute, left a half-dollar sized discoloration on my skin (like a bruise) which has now been there for a little over 8 months.

The problem was the solubility in oil and the amount of BA needed to keep it suspended at 75 mg per cc. I have since made a batch at approx. 40mg per cc using 50mg EQ as opposed to plain sterile oil. Took a few test shots and have had no pain. I plan on running 12cc's of the EQ per week which would give me 480 mg of 4AD along with the 600 mg of EQ.

 

[Quiller]

Wether it worked for you or not, everyone is different.. If you are going to compare, make it apples to apples. Fina is not even in the same ring with 1-AD... I am taking 30mgs of anavar right now, and i'll tell ya.... the 1-Test I did 3 months ago kicked ass all over this anavar shit... Muscles hardened up almost overnight, strength went through the roof, and I gained a solid 10 lbs that I still have today. Anavar was supposed to do all this but hasn't.

The anavar cost me $200 and 3 weeks wait.. 1-Test was $120 and walked in and bought it, started that day.

No sides from either one..

 

[liftsiron]

Quiller Wether it worked for you or not, everyone is different.. If you are going to compare, make it apples to apples. Fina is not even in the same ring with 1-AD... I am taking 30mgs of anavar right now, and i'll tell ya.... the 1-Test I did 3 months ago kicked ass all over this anavar shit... Muscles hardened up almost overnight, strength went through the roof, and I gained a solid 10 lbs that I still have today. Anavar was supposed to do all this but hasn't.

The anavar cost me $200 and 3 weeks wait.. 1-Test was $120 and walked in and bought it, started that day.

If this truly the case your anavar is fake, there is no two ways about it. Those of us who have used legit anavar know that at 30mgs daily, no 1-AD product will even come close. I would have a little chat with my source if I were you. If your anavar is IP that explains it.

 

[Quiller]

Then I need to find a better anavar... That is what I had hoped for , something that would give me even more results than 1-ad... I am using IP's at 30mgs a day for 2 weeks now... Who's anavar should I use?

Quiller

 

[gapster2000]

Sounds like all supplment companies to me

The first company will bring it out in a pill
then next company will make that pill digest faster
then the third company will micronise it into a fine powder
then the forth company will tun it into a liquid

When will the bullshit ever end....

 

[liftsiron]

Then I need to find a better anavar... That is what I had hoped for , something that would give me even more results than 1-ad... I am using IP's at 30mgs a day for 2 weeks now... Who's anavar should I use?

Quiller

IP anaver does not work, I don't know what it is but it is not anavar. Both dankel and loefflar make a good anavar, Dankel tested at 5mg meeting lable claims, loefflar tested above lable claims and gives great results.

 

[wayne and zeus]

Thanks Guys for providing the most humorous post I have read in quite a while!

It is obvious that the marketing arm of these bullshit prohormone companies is DOING THEIR JOB WELL!!!

Whoever said that 8-15 lbs of quality lbm can be gained by taking these supplements is quite obviously a douche bag with preiferial(sp) knowledge regarding diet, training and hormones. 8-15 lbs of lbm can be gained WITH HARDCORE DIET AND TRAINING alone. So when you get your 1-ad and are all pumped up to do your cycle of it, assured of your future potential gains, you might just get them. This is most likely due to the diet, training and placebo effect which IS MORE PROVEN THAN 1-AD.

I normally would say "Go get a small 250 mg/week sust cycle and talk to me in 10 weeks" but I won't... You're right, continue going to GNC and talk to the fat slob behind the counter, he knows best. Also pick up some HGH precursor as well while you are filling up your basket. GNC and Flex Magazine PROMISED it WORKS.

 

[Frackal]

8-15lbs quality LBM alone naturally in the time it takes to do an 8 week cycle, (or whatever the hell it is) of 1-ad... no chance unless you're a neophyte trainer

 

[Triple J]

OK I gained 10lbs of LBM from 1AD because I am a neophyte who experienced a placebo effect, while the 30lbs I recently gained from AAS was due to what.... GNC weight gain shakes!! and had nothing to do with the AAS? Give me a break!!

Oh, did someone say proper diet and training are important to making gains? Thanks for that insight, genius!! I wish I had known that before, maybe my gains would have been higher.

Many of the claims the supplement companies make are laughable, but why throw the good furniture out with the bad? That's my point. Period.

 

[bebaumax]

OK I gained 10lbs of LBM from 1AD because I am a neophyte who experienced a placebo effect, while the 30lbs I recently gained from AAS was due to what.... GNC weight gain shakes!! and had nothing to do with the AAS? Give me a break!!

Oh, did someone say proper diet and training are important to making gains? Thanks for that insight, genius!! I wish I had known that before, maybe my gains would have been higher.

Many of the claims the supplement companies make are laughable, but why throw the good furniture out with the bad? That's my point. Period.

OK, I'm not for or against 1-AD, I've never used it, and don't know anyone personally who has, so I can't comment. However, based on what you just said, that's right in line with the 1-AD being placebo. You could make 10lbs of LBM gain on nothing but hardcore diet and training, ESPECIALLY if you were capable of THIRTY pounds with AAS. That's just about right.
-B

 

[Triple J]

OK, I'm not for or against 1-AD, I've never used it, and don't know anyone personally who has, so I can't comment. However, based on what you just said, that's right in line with the 1-AD being placebo. You could make 10lbs of LBM gain on nothing but hardcore diet and training, ESPECIALLY if you were capable of THIRTY pounds with AAS. That's just about right.
-B

No, because my diet and training or on point most all the time. Of course various steroids change your training physiology when you are on cycle vs. off ... did you know that? Oh does that bother you that I am talking to you like you are a fucking idiot? Well then I guess you know how I feel.

Listen I have been at this game quite a while and have taken my share of AAS and other supplements, so I have a fucking clue. 1AD is not worthless.

We can just agree to disagree, OK?

 

[bebaumax]

No, because my diet and training or on point most all the time. Of course various steroids change your training physiology when you are on cycle vs. off ... did you know that? Oh does that bother you that I am talking to you like you are a fucking idiot? Well then I guess you know how I feel.

Listen I have been at this game quite a while and have taken my share of AAS and other supplements, so I have a fucking clue. 1AD is not worthless.

We can just agree to disagree, OK?

Well, I'll only agree on half of it. I agree to disagree that I think you could have easily put on the 10lbs on the placebo effect. I don't agree to disagree on whether or not 1-AD is worthless, because I don't even know that it is. For all I know, it does work. I've still not heard anything convincing either way. I'd try it out, but AAS are cheaper for me, so there's no point.

Oh, and no, it doesn't bother me that you're all upset, lots of people get really emotional on here... not sure why. I didn't know you were treating me as though I were an idiot, but that's fine, you know me about as well as I know 1-AD, so what do you have to go on? Not much.
-B

 

[Triple J]

Well, I'll only agree on half of it. I agree to disagree that I think you could have easily put on the 10lbs on the placebo effect. I don't agree to disagree on whether or not 1-AD is worthless, because I don't even know that it is. For all I know, it does work. I've still not heard anything convincing either way. I'd try it out, but AAS are cheaper for me, so there's no point.

Oh, and no, it doesn't bother me that you're all upset, lots of people get really emotional on here... not sure why. I didn't know you were treating me as though I were an idiot, but that's fine, you know me about as well as I know 1-AD, so what do you have to go on? Not much.
-B

Hey bro, no problem. I do not really think you are an idiot, that was sarcasm. It is me that is on the defensive here. Why should I let this bother me? It really doesn't. But I will defend myself.

I have been told I am basically a neophyte experiencing a placebo effect. Let me assure you that is not the case with myself and many others. Even after admitting you know nothing about 1AD, my cycle history or experience, you believe my gains were placebo, just because on one cycle, I gained 10lbs, and the other, 30lbs. Well placebo effects are always possible with or without the use of AAS or products like 1AD. So we can sit here all day long and argue about if it was placebo or not. But my experience level would indicate otherwise.

Now, the reason I gained about 30lbs recently was because it was a test/dbol winter bulker, vs. more of a LBM conditioning cycle with the 1AD, similiar to how many might run a cycle of winnie, var, or eq. So I adjusted my training and diet regimens accordingly in each case. Make sense? OK

Many supplement claims are laughable. In my experience 1AD is a worthwhile supplement, as are some of the other recent products. Its just my two cents.

 

[FunkMasterFlex]

ok i gained 16 lbs on mag-10.... say 6-8 from glycogen....2 from water.......what leaves 6 lbs in 4 weeks? ....it does something....maybe not as well as AS but its legal....i dont have to shoot shit it my ass hehe

 

[bbkingpin]

The world would be a better place if steroids were legal and prohormones weren't.
And TripleJ: That Big Brother bit is bullshit. The supplement companies dont give a flying fuck about your civil liberties. They just want your money.

Nelson:
Just to back you up for a change, androstendione has been around since the forties and the big drug companies like Searle used it as the raw material to manufacture Aldactone -- a/k/a Spironolactone -- an anti-androgen!

 

[drrman]

to you accept paypal?

 

[Pyrrhus]

How can you guys bash 1-AD so bad?

Some people just don't want to take the legal risk of doing real steroids!

Saying that 1-AD isn't effective is a HUGE understatement. I personally gained 20lbs in a 4 week cycle, kept ALL OF IT. I know from personal experience that this shit works.

Also, other than a lack of sex drive I felt completely normal.

I just started a new cycle right now stacked with 4-AD, and I have NO SIDES at all.

It's not as bad as you all make it out to be.

 

[Addicted]

whatever you say guys! both 1-AD and 4-AD are a load of shit, I'm sure if you were to stack either one with fina then it would be effective!

yeah...and so is r-ala, regular ala (which by the way is a mix of r and s polymers is certainly not the devil....as well as creatine, protein powders (whey isolate...mmmhmmm...just a few years ago, whey was sold to pig farmers for peenies on the dollar...now it's sold to bodybuilders for a lot more...and hmm..vitamins are worthless tooo, those "fresh" fruits and vegatables that you eat after sitting on a boat or truck for weeks before hitting your table are loaded with micrnutients...hmmm..yeah, 1-ad is shit becasue it doesn't give you Fina type gains...and sides....interesting...

 

[Addicted]

"In my experience 1AD is quite effective. And the cost benefit ratio is not that bad. At DPS you can pick up three bottles for about $100 bucks and that is not out-of-line for a six week cycle that can produce similiar results to a mild AAS cycle."

And just which mild AAS do you think it is as effective as?


Ah common ground. Finally. On this subject you guys would do well to listen to Nelson Montana.
10% of the gains of AS with 80% of the sides. Gee sign me up for 1-AD.

Intelligence in a thread of moronic statements.

 

[Primo57]

Whew, I just took a shot of 4-AD yesterday and it is no joke! The shit hurts way worse than suspension. I'm by far a neophyte lifter - I've done about 18 cycles to date. Anyway, I'll be the guinea pig on elite for a few weeks and tell you the results. Also, to keep this experiment truly scientific, this (and l-dex) is all I'll be doing. I'll be eating ~350g of protein daily and doing "Iron Addict's" style of training.


primo

 

[powerforward]

20lbs of muscle in 4 weeks? thats hard to do with real gear. somebody must have spiked your 1ad with anadrol.
but if you like it, you can have it.

How can you guys bash 1-AD so bad?

Some people just don't want to take the legal risk of doing real steroids!

Saying that 1-AD isn't effective is a HUGE understatement. I personally gained 20lbs in a 4 week cycle, kept ALL OF IT. I know from personal experience that this shit works.

Also, other than a lack of sex drive I felt completely normal.

I just started a new cycle right now stacked with 4-AD, and I have NO SIDES at all.

It's not as bad as you all make it out to be.

 

[Triple J]

OK since somebody brought this thing back to life I want to clarify my position. I found 1AD effective but I was most certainly under my genetic potential at the start of that cycle, and well under the level I had achieved earlier in my life using AAS, so muscle memory was probably a factor. Given that information, 1AD was very effective at helping me put on a solid 10 lbs, I was bigger, stronger, and leaner appearing, after the cycle. I would NOT claim again it was 10lbs LBM that was a bad choice of words, but it was a very solid 10lbs weight gain.

At this point I have moved back to real AAS with good results but the hassles and worries associated with trying to ILLEGALLY obtain gear of uncertain quality, actually make the prospect of trying another 1AD cycle not so unappealing.

My preference would certainly be the real deal if I could only be assured of persistant supply and quality. I believe the all human-grade gear I used in the 80s (before schedule III) had generally more punch than the vet and underground stuff I have tried to date.

 

[3Vandoo]

I WANT 10!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bigrand]

Ive seen a buddy of mine on 1-AD. I swear, i looked at him and said "when did you decide to juice it" and he replied with "im on 1-AD". The shit is no joke, he got big quick on it (granted he looks bloated). Supprised the shit out of me.