Thanks for the advice but this is not my first cycle. this is more like my 6th cycle. I did primo,tren,winny,anavar and test prop. All in different cycles of cource. I get my best gains from winny and primo. I been lifting since high school but put on some unwanted bodyfat as i got older, im 34 years old right now. I weight 235lb with 16 percent bodyfat i look like a fullback with bodyfat. I really want to lose about 35 lbs this summer with a clean diet,cardio and than a simple primo and winny cycle. I dont know if i will lose all the weight in the 16 weeks of primobolan and 8 weeks of winny but i will try to make a noticable difference.