Bloods Done....

[ohyea]

Male
22
6'4
185
4% b.f.
started a cycle january 2012 took a 2 month break with little PCT then back on until dec have been off since was taking proviron but nothing is helping my gyno.

Can anyone help me with my bloods and tell me what it says in english please lol

 

[dvoted]

umm .. i just checked your file i think you might want to take this down! edit out your name and address/phone number and other personal info!

 

[Jbranken]

Cycled 10 months out of 12? You basically cycled the whole year of 2012. What exactly did you cycle and what ancillaries were you running with it? And you need to give your body a break. Running proviron off cycle is not taking a break... It's a steroid

 

[dvoted]

Run this Pct before you try anything! I highly doubt your even properly recovered!
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Arimidex for your gyno: even Letro if you want something stronger
unleashed + post cycle

then stay off for atleast 6 months bro.

 

[stevesmi]

it would help to know what you ran and when you started getting the gyno.

posting you ran 10 months of gear is of no help. i find it amazing your bloods came in clean like this. just proves how being young and foolish you can get away with it.

 

[Sherk]

Run this Pct before you try anything! I highly doubt your even properly recovered!
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Arimidex for your gyno: even Letro if you want something stronger
unleashed + post cycle

then stay off for atleast 6 months bro.

What gives you the assumption he isn't "properly recovered"? His bloods came back looking good and in range. Like Steve said, being young worked in his favor this time and he was able to bounce back nicely. Looks to me like his only problem atm is his gyno issue. After he gets that squared away he definitely needs to learn how to cycle properly.

 

[Sherk]

Male
22
6'4
185
4% b.f.
started a cycle january 2012 took a 2 month break with little PCT then back on until dec have been off since was taking proviron but nothing is helping my gyno.

Can anyone help me with my bloods and tell me what it says in english please lol

I noticed your estro is 12.5, what AI are you using and when was your last dose before the blood draw?

 

[Jbranken]

What gives you the assumption he isn't "properly recovered"? His bloods came back looking good and in range. Like Steve said, being young worked in his favor this time and he was able to bounce back nicely. Looks to me like his only problem atm is his gyno issue. After he gets that squared away he definitely needs to learn how to cycle properly.

True his bloods look normal but he's been running proviron since he's been 'off'. Its throwing off his values

 

[dvoted]

True his bloods look normal but he's been running proviron since he's been 'off'. Its throwing off his values

exactly what I meant

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[ohyea]

Sorry I put that wrong I did 16 weeks of test e with adex but adex were fake so it started around 14 weeks. I was off with hcg an letro for the gyno went away but i jumped back on it before it was completely fixed. Then another 16 wk with cyp. Just ordered letro so well see how that handles it again. I did some stupid things listening to the wrong ppl. Leason learned an want to start again.

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[ohyea]

Also how should I run the liq letro?

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[Sherk]

True his bloods look normal but he's been running proviron since he's been 'off'. Its throwing off his values

Proviron won't throw him off to the point he looks recovered. He's well in range. I run proviron religiously on cycles and off during my trt. Proviron is nothing dramatic to make the claim he's not properly recovered. You have to look at more than just what his free T is. Look at his fsh and LH for example, and there's more to it than that.

 

[ohyea]

Proviron won't throw him off to the point he looks recovered. He's well in range. I run proviron religiously on cycles and off during my trt. Proviron is nothing dramatic to make the claim he's not properly recovered. You have to look at more than just what his free T is. Look at his fsh and LH for example, and there's more to it than that.

Please elaborate...FSH & LH I know there a type of sex hormone but thats all I know. Also I dont really have a sex drive....

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[Mike4705]

True his bloods look normal but he's been running proviron since he's been 'off'. Its throwing off his values

Correct me if I'm wrong but proviron would drive down is FSH and LH

 

[stevesmi]

I'm still lost OP.

can you post a timeline of what you ran.. all I can figure out is your started running shit a year ago and you ran cyp.

your sex drive is shot from the letro no doubt.

 

[AAP]

Now that I have his name, addy and phone number I am going to start posting Men Meeting Men ads on Craigslist with it.

 

[ohyea]

Now that I have his name, addy and phone number I am going to start posting Men Meeting Men ads on Craigslist with it.

Go ahead who said any of that info is real? U make it up when u order blood form there smartass.

Jan-april
Enanthate 500/wk
Prop 500/wk
Adex EOD

May-aug
Hcg & letro

Sep-dec
Cyp 400/wk
Hcg 500iu /wk
Proviron ED

Gyno started around april of 2012 went away when I started letro it came back around november. I have been off all of 2013. Ordered some letro which comes in today. What would be the best cycle to take letro at?

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[Jbranken]

Correct me if I'm wrong but proviron would drive down is FSH and LH

Studies show it didn't effect LH an fsh

Proviron won't throw him off to the point he looks recovered. He's well in range. I run proviron religiously on cycles and off during my trt. Proviron is nothing dramatic to make the claim he's not properly recovered. You have to look at more than just what his free T is. Look at his fsh and LH for example, and there's more to it than that.

I can see your point. It is mild and maybe wouldn't throw him way off. I still wouldn't condone it's use off cycle though. It could be suppressing test to some extent. And running it on trt is a different situation than someone who needs recovery after a cycle.

 

[Labtec70]

Hi guys

I'd like to put a different perspective on his blood results.

I'm not sure if I've simply overlooked it, but I can't see his Free Testosterone only his Serum of 469ng/dl. While it does appear that he's not done any significant damage I'd hasten to say that he hasn't recovered at all.
His FSH and LH are both pretty high indicating his testes aren't running or producing enough hormone. This lends me to believe his Total Testosterone (469ng/dl) isn't where it naturally should be due to his testicles not reponding to the secretions from the pituatary gland. What do you guys reckon?

I think he needs to start a comprehensive recovery PCT schedule offered by you guys, and asap. I would also advise he gets a re-work done on FSH, LH, and Free or Bioavailable T (and total again).

You definately need to give the AAS a couple of months break and stick to a good PCT and then introduce some natural testosterone boosting supplements and E busters.

All the best and thanks for posting the labs.

Craig

 

[dvoted]

Hi guys

I'd like to put a different perspective on his blood results.

I'm not sure if I've simply overlooked it, but I can't see his Free Testosterone only his Serum of 469ng/dl. While it does appear that he's not done any significant damage I'd hasten to say that he hasn't recovered at all.
His FSH and LH are both pretty high indicating his testes aren't running or producing enough hormone. This lends me to believe his Total Testosterone (469ng/dl) isn't where it naturally should be due to his testicles not reponding to the secretions from the pituatary gland. What do you guys reckon?

I think he needs to start a comprehensive recovery PCT schedule offered by you guys, and asap. I would also advise he gets a re-work done on FSH, LH, and Free or Bioavailable T (and total again).

You definately need to give the AAS a couple of months break and stick to a good PCT and then introduce some natural testosterone boosting supplements and E busters.

All the best and thanks for posting the labs.

Craig

Aggreed.

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[stevesmi]

Go ahead who said any of that info is real? U make it up when u order blood form there smartass.

Jan-april
Enanthate 500/wk
Prop 500/wk
Adex EOD

May-aug
Hcg & letro

Sep-dec
Cyp 400/wk
Hcg 500iu /wk
Proviron ED

Gyno started around april of 2012 went away when I started letro it came back around november. I have been off all of 2013. Ordered some letro which comes in today. What would be the best cycle to take letro at?

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your gyno has to be estrogen based. we know that. I'm gonna say since your sex drive is in the shitter to avoid the letro if its not even helping (unless you have a specific plan and not just throwing darts at a wall). you might want to avoid aromatizing compounds in the future.

just for the record hcg does spike estrogen some, but nothing like test will.

what i would do in your shoes is avoid hormones for a while. get rid of your gyno.. should of never jumped back on roids when you were getting gyno in the first place until you solved that problem. always fix problems first instead of complicating matters. all things considered your bloods came in clean like i said so that is a good thing.

hope this helps .. i would talk to CEO or needtogetaas about gyno cause they both are good at that subject

 

[stevesmi]

Hi guys

I'd like to put a different perspective on his blood results.

I'm not sure if I've simply overlooked it, but I can't see his Free Testosterone only his Serum of 469ng/dl. While it does appear that he's not done any significant damage I'd hasten to say that he hasn't recovered at all.
His FSH and LH are both pretty high indicating his testes aren't running or producing enough hormone. This lends me to believe his Total Testosterone (469ng/dl) isn't where it naturally should be due to his testicles not reponding to the secretions from the pituatary gland. What do you guys reckon?

I think he needs to start a comprehensive recovery PCT schedule offered by you guys, and asap. I would also advise he gets a re-work done on FSH, LH, and Free or Bioavailable T (and total again).

You definately need to give the AAS a couple of months break and stick to a good PCT and then introduce some natural testosterone boosting supplements and E busters.

All the best and thanks for posting the labs.

Craig

without knowing what his T was like before hard to guess. in todays society we gotta get more and more used to 450 total T being a solid number. has to do with the environment, our jobs, whats in our foods/drinks, etc.

i do also beleive once you start abusing hormones (running what is considered even low to moderate amounts of juice) its gonna be almost impossible to get your T levels up to where it was before you touched hormones. I can't prove this theory with 'studies' but its just based on having seen so many bloods the past year or two on here. hence why we say young guys should wait to juice.

 

[ohyea]

your gyno has to be estrogen based. we know that. I'm gonna say since your sex drive is in the shitter to avoid the letro if its not even helping (unless you have a specific plan and not just throwing darts at a wall). you might want to avoid aromatizing compounds in the future.

just for the record hcg does spike estrogen some, but nothing like test will.

what i would do in your shoes is avoid hormones for a while. get rid of your gyno.. should of never jumped back on roids when you were getting gyno in the first place until you solved that problem. always fix problems first instead of complicating matters. all things considered your bloods came in clean like i said so that is a good thing.

hope this helps .. i would talk to CEO or needtogetaas about gyno cause they both are good at that subject

Ok an thank you. I have NOT started the letro. I wamt to know a good cycle an how to take this liquid L FEM its called . I ordered it of AG Guys . I tried to put it under my tongue like my other letro but it burned the skin. Therefore what the hell do I do inject this type of letro?

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[Mike4705]

Why did you put it under your tongue?

 

[ohyea]

Idk that how I did my last stuff but it wasnt the same color....anyway what should I cycle it?

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[stevesmi]

Ok an thank you. I have NOT started the letro. I wamt to know a good cycle an how to take this liquid L FEM its called . I ordered it of AG Guys . I tried to put it under my tongue like my other letro but it burned the skin. Therefore what the hell do I do inject this type of letro?

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you just swallow it. a trick is to put it in with some juice

DO NOT inject it.

also keep in mind letro will tank your libido.. keep this in mind and be aware. i understand your frustration with gyno but you need to go into this with a real plan and not just throw drugs at the problem.. thats why i said to talk to those two i mentioned who have experience with gyno.

no one problem is ever the same so you will need to realize that. your friend could take a gram of test a week and not get gyno but you could take barely any and get it.

 

[UA_Iron]

Nothing has fired up my nipples like HCG has. Letro will hurt your libido, but its only temporary.

 

[ohyea]

Any ideas on a letro cycle

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[ceo]

Hi guys

I'd like to put a different perspective on his blood results.

I'm not sure if I've simply overlooked it, but I can't see his Free Testosterone only his Serum of 469ng/dl. While it does appear that he's not done any significant damage I'd hasten to say that he hasn't recovered at all.
His FSH and LH are both pretty high indicating his testes aren't running or producing enough hormone. This lends me to believe his Total Testosterone (469ng/dl) isn't where it naturally should be due to his testicles not reponding to the secretions from the pituatary gland. What do you guys reckon?

I think he needs to start a comprehensive recovery PCT schedule offered by you guys, and asap. I would also advise he gets a re-work done on FSH, LH, and Free or Bioavailable T (and total again).

You definately need to give the AAS a couple of months break and stick to a good PCT and then introduce some natural testosterone boosting supplements and E busters.

All the best and thanks for posting the labs.

Craig

Free T is usually 1.5% - 2.5%. If we knew his SHBG we could most likely, quite accurately calculate it since we do know his albumin. Example: if his SHBG were 65 (very high) his Free T would be calculated at 5.88 ng/dl, or 1.25%. If SHBG were 15 (very low) Free T would be calculated at 12.9 ng/dl, or 2.75%.

Up to 40% of bound T is loosely bound to albumin and can be easily dissociated and made readily available for uptake.

His FSH and LH are also smack-dab in the middle of the normal range. Nothing wrong there.

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OP - it appears as though you never ran an AI or SERM during your cycles. Is this the case? Why? If so, no wonder.

Also, you need to learn how to eat and lift for max gains as an ecto before you go on any more cycles. At 6'4" you could have easily gotten to 185 lbs without AAS. Any medical issues why reaching 185 natty would not have been possible?

Bottom line is you have gyno. Start your letro. How much? Well...how bad is your gyno? If it's really bad you can start at 2.5mg/day and lower the dose as symptoms subside. If it's not that bad and you want to save your joints and libido, you can go slow and steady at 0.5mg - 1.0mg/day. Monitor as you go along and once gyno disappears you should probably switch to aromasin at 12.5 EOD or E3D for a while.

 

[ohyea]

Free T is usually 1.5% - 2.5%. If we knew his SHBG we could most likely, quite accurately calculate it since we do know his albumin. Example: if his SHBG were 65 (very high) his Free T would be calculated at 5.88 ng/dl, or 1.25%. If SHBG were 15 (very low) Free T would be calculated at 12.9 ng/dl, or 2.75%.

Up to 40% of bound T is loosely bound to albumin and can be easily dissociated and made readily available for uptake.

His FSH and LH are also smack-dab in the middle of the normal range. Nothing wrong there.

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OP - it appears as though you never ran an AI or SERM during your cycles. Is this the case? Why? If so, no wonder.

Also, you need to learn how to eat and lift for max gains as an ecto before you go on any more cycles. At 6'4" you could have easily gotten to 185 lbs without AAS. Any medical issues why reaching 185 natty would not have been possible?

Bottom line is you have gyno. Start your letro. How much? Well...how bad is your gyno? If it's really bad you can start at 2.5mg/day and lower the dose as symptoms subside. If it's not that bad and you want to save your joints and libido, you can go slow and steady at 0.5mg - 1.0mg/day. Monitor as you go along and once gyno disappears you should probably switch to aromasin at 12.5 EOD or E3D for a while.

Thank you for that its bad an started 2.5mg/day and i am on day 4. sensitivity is gone an the pain isnt that bad anymore. lumps/balls are still the same size. once they subside i will start to lower the dose. i also read in Needto's that he had the guy on 5mg/day for about a week then tapered down....I am learning about the SERMs now wasnt told about them from anyone. I have also looked into the HCgenerate/Bridge but idk which is better. Also next cycle will be much much much more percise.

 

[AAP]

Go ahead who said any of that info is real? U make it up when u order blood form there smartass.

First of all, if you can't take any humor GTFO bitch.

Second of all, if you are going to lie about something at least be credible. Too many people along with myself on this board use Labcorb as well and it is standard OP for them to ID you before taking you to the back for the drawing.

 

[needtogetaas]

First of all, if you can't take any humor GTFO bitch.

Second of all, if you are going to lie about something at least be credible. Too many people along with myself on this board use Labcorb as well and it is standard OP for them to ID you before taking you to the back for the drawing.

I love a good old AAP call out lmao.

 

[needtogetaas]

Thank you for that its bad an started 2.5mg/day and i am on day 4. sensitivity is gone an the pain isnt that bad anymore. lumps/balls are still the same size. once they subside i will start to lower the dose. i also read in Needto's that he had the guy on 5mg/day for about a week then tapered down....I am learning about the SERMs now wasnt told about them from anyone. I have also looked into the HCgenerate/Bridge but idk which is better. Also next cycle will be much much much more percise.

5mg of wait? Only reason this would happen is a mistake on someones part?

 

[stevesmi]

Too many people along with myself on this board use Labcorb as well and it is standard OP for them to ID you before taking you to the back for the drawing.

if you ordered online then they are not allowed to ask for ID. if they do then you have the right to say no. i have NEVER showed ID using labcorp ever so the OP is 100% correct here. but yes they do sometimes ask out of ignorance