Blood test; kidneys values

[vexotex]

Hi Stevesmi!
I have onset of kidneys problem. In last two weeks I made two blood tests for kidneys and liver and creatinine is elevated: it is 122 micromol/L and referential values are 64-104. It has never been that high. Usually between 95-105.
Last cycle I did Tren-A only and it was OK. This cycle again the same, Tren-A only, 100mg EOD but started having issues. I also did some thorough scanning of kidneys function by injecting radioactive farmac in the vein and then scanning like magnetic resonance. They said it’s a minor problem, a little bit slower excretion of water from body. Last year the same research and it was: “excretion was fast and spontaneous”.
So, something is going on.
I eat 600g of chicken breast per day, 200g of tuna and 500g of non-fat cottage cheese. No red meat, no eggs. And NO ANY protein powders, supplements, creatine, BCAA and all that artificial crap. Food only.
Should I retire from bodybuilding and cut with steroids and high protein intake? I wonder how high are kidneys values of some serious bodybuilders and do they worry if creatinine and urea are elevated?


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[stevesmi]

i wouldn't worry.. when you are frequently breaking down muscle and repairing it is normal for that number to be hot.

the sure fire way to know is don't workout for about 10 days then test again

 

[vexotex]

i wouldn't worry.. when you are frequently breaking down muscle and repairing it is normal for that number to be hot.

the sure fire way to know is don't workout for about 10 days then test again

Thanks Stevesmi; I’m finishing the cycle this week and I will rest for 10-15 days


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[dylangemelli]

i agree with steve... generally anyone working out at a higher level will always have a slightly elevated level... take the two weeks off and then retest and see if there are changes and also, dehydration could cause that and often times we are dehydrated and dont realize it or know it

 

[SteveMobsterG]

Creatinine can also be elevated if you use a Creatine product

 

[vexotex]

Creatinine can also be elevated if you use a Creatine product

Last 4 years I don’t use any powders and artificial proteins. But I started swelling under my eyes especially when I wake up and pissing 2,3 times during night.


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[muskate]

Creatinine can also be elevated if you use a Creatine product

Actually, this is not true. Creatinine and creatine are COMPLETELY different things.

However, high creatinine values are high in lifters since we are breaking down our muscles every time we are in the gym lifting weights.

 

[vexotex]

Actually, this is not true. Creatinine and creatine are COMPLETELY different things.

However, high creatinine values are high in lifters since we are breaking down our muscles every time we are in the gym lifting weights.

As I mentioned, I go in gym since 2011 5 times per week. No pause. Taking roids (in cycles) for last 5. I monitor my kidneys every month. It has never been like that. Referential values are 64-104 and I was between 95-105. But now 123. And creatine, no whey, no BCAA, no red meat as nephrologist said that red meat is especially heavy on kidneys.


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[vexotex]

As I mentioned, I go in gym since 2011 5 times per week. No pause. Taking roids (in cycles) for last 5. I monitor my kidneys every month. It has never been like that. Referential values are 64-104 and I was between 95-105. But now 123. And NO creatine, no whey, no BCAA, no red meat as nephrologist said that red meat is especially heavy on kidneys.


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[SteveMobsterG]

Actually, this is not true. Creatinine and creatine are COMPLETELY different things.

However, high creatinine values are high in lifters since we are breaking down our muscles every time we are in the gym lifting weights.

Ahh but it is. While they are indeed two different things using Creatine (which, if not used by the body will be broken down and will show up as Creatinine).

Mayoclinic states: Generally, a high serum creatinine level means that your kidneys aren't working well. Your creatinine level may temporarily increase if you're dehydrated, have a low blood volume, eat a large amount of meat or take certain medications. The dietary supplement creatine can have the same effect

In effect it gives a false positive or more accurately the waste or unused material gives a high level. Ergo advice is to not use any Creatine for a few days pre a blood test.
As a lifter who has been tested my muscle breakdown has never shown as a higher than normal level. But, as you say, it is what happens biologically speaking.

 

[vexotex]

Ahh but it is. While they are indeed two different things using Creatine (which, if not used by the body will be broken down and will show up as Creatinine).

Mayoclinic states: Generally, a high serum creatinine level means that your kidneys aren't working well. Your creatinine level may temporarily increase if you're dehydrated, have a low blood volume, eat a large amount of meat or take certain medications. The dietary supplement creatine can have the same effect

In effect it gives a false positive or more accurately the waste or unused material gives a high level. Ergo advice is to not use any Creatine for a few days pre a blood test.
As a lifter who has been tested my muscle breakdown has never shown as a higher than normal level. But, as you say, it is what happens biologically speaking.

I know that, elevated creatinine is a sign kidneys can’t properly maintain they function anymore. But up to what level is tolerable regarding I train in gym 5 times per week and eat meat and take roids? I mean how high creatinine do have some serious bodybuilders and still don’t worry?


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[SteveMobsterG]

I know that, elevated creatinine is a sign kidneys can’t properly maintain they function anymore. But up to what level is tolerable regarding I train in gym 5 times per week and eat meat and take roids? I mean how high creatinine do have some serious bodybuilders and still don’t worry?


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This is why you'd want to either ease of or stop training for a couple of days as well as no creatine (as per my reply earlier). Then, instead of having the lab freak out at the potential results, you'd get a truer picture from the blood tests. As for what figures I've no idea. I'm no doc and I don't do blood tests. But I DO KNOW both, as per Trevor's reply (and yours too above) and mine that both exercise AND using Creatine could give higher than normal reading.

All that said it's just ONE measure in a series of measures. And, if it came back high, the doc and the lab ought to check with you - as in 'does he train 5 days a week, what's his protein intake like and does he supplement with Creatine'. Or you could also mention it. They then ought to say 'have a week off, then we will do another test' etc etc

All common sense really

 

[vexotex]

This is why you'd want to either ease of or stop training for a couple of days as well as no creatine (as per my reply earlier). Then, instead of having the lab freak out at the potential results, you'd get a truer picture from the blood tests. As for what figures I've no idea. I'm no doc and I don't do blood tests. But I DO KNOW both, as per Trevor's reply (and yours too above) and mine that both exercise AND using Creatine could give higher than normal reading.

All that said it's just ONE measure in a series of measures. And, if it came back high, the doc and the lab ought to check with you - as in 'does he train 5 days a week, what's his protein intake like and does he supplement with Creatine'. Or you could also mention it. They then ought to say 'have a week off, then we will do another test' etc etc

All common sense really

Thanks for reply. Yeah, I see I have to stop for some time and clean my kidneys if it isn’t to late


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[SteveMobsterG]

Thanks for reply. Yeah, I see I have to stop for some time and clean my kidneys if it isn’t to late


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What I suggest is not 'cleaning your kidneys'. It's, as I said, just ensuring a true set of values on the test