blood pressure jacked!!!!! help!!!!!!!

[blacksabbath1987]

my blood preesure has never been the same since i have been on! 140/110 was the blood pressure today!!!!! jeez i am going to have a stroke any help. im on pct just finised my last shot of a 2-run hcg and clomid been off for 2-months.

 

[chestmaster1]

how's your sodium and water
intake?

 

[DJ_UFO]

You've been off for 2 months and that's your blood pressure??
shit man...if you got it from one of those walgreens or walmart machines, do it at least like 5 times in 2 different machines to have a more accurate idea; those things doesn't work that well. If the machines are good, check your diet; drink a lot of water, lower the sodium intake, make sure you get the necessary potassium, garlic, etc...also include cardio in your workout.

 

[blacksabbath1987]

You've been off for 2 months and that's your blood pressure??
shit man...if you got it from one of those walgreens or walmart machines, do it at least like 5 times in 2 different machines to have a more accurate idea; those things doesn't work that well. If the machines are good, check your diet; drink a lot of water, lower the sodium intake, make sure you get the necessary potassium, garlic, etc...also include cardio in your workout.

no !!! at a doctors office finally after 6 years and doing some hcg the wifey finally got pregnant 8-weeks now!! i think the proviron had a big roll.

 

[blacksabbath1987]

no at a doctors office finally after 6 years and doing some hcg the wifey finally got pregnant 8-weeks now i think the proviron had a big roll.

just took it again and it is 154/99

 

[DJ_UFO]

are you overweight in terms of bodyfat? or maybe all this time you've had a bp condition and you didn't know it...

 

[blacksabbath1987]

are you overweight in terms of bodyfat? or maybe all this time you've had a bp condition and you didn't know it...

no i am 210 6ft and at least 10% body fat. i will try and up the water intake more and see if that helps!!!!!

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

my blood preesure has never been the same since i have been on! 140/110 was the blood pressure today!!!!! jeez i am going to have a stroke any help. im on pct just finised my last shot of a 2-run hcg and clomid been off for 2-months.

Where did you take your BP? I am not buying the 110. your mean arterial pressure with thise numbers is terrible. Dont use a home one or one at walgreens. if your really that scared go to a local ER and tell the triage nurse you just wanna check your blood pressure and not check in.

 

[gttnbig82]

no !!! at a doctors office finally after 6 years and doing some hcg the wifey finally got pregnant 8-weeks now!! i think the proviron had a big roll.

It could have been anxiety/stress. Relax for 30min/ dont really move around just sit and watch tv or something, then take your BP. It will give you a more accurate measure. If your stressed about it being high your bp will rise.

 

[blacksabbath1987]

Where did you take your BP? I am not buying the 110. your mean arterial pressure with thise numbers is terrible. Dont use a home one or one at walgreens. if your really that scared go to a local ER and tell the triage nurse you just wanna check your blood pressure and not check in.

i go 2-times a week to get blood pressure checked and it has been high while on and off cycle this is checked at are my local doctors office. i take red yeast rice and omega 3- milk thistle non/flush niaicin / i drink a table spoon of potassium 2-tmes a day. vit-e- zinc and biotin.

 

[blacksabbath1987]

i go 2-times a week to get blood pressure checked and it has been high while on and off cycle this is checked at are my local doctors office. i take red yeast rice and omega 3- milk thistle non/flush niaicin / i drink a table spoon of potassium 2-tmes a day. vit-e- zinc and biotin.

thanks guys!!!! i appricate the help. and i will change some stuff around. maybe i eat to much 6000-cals a day. i have uped the carbs and protein. i will adjust thanks all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[missionpossible]

Yeah, that suks. I had BP about the same and started taking potassium/magnesium/taurine caps by NOW products and my BP runs at 117/80 most of the time. When I'm on a cycle I drop the Now pills and take scrip elinapril ( most ace inhibitors cant be taken with potassium supps) and then go back to the over the counter supps after my cycle is over.

 

[blacksabbath1987]

Yeah, that suks. I had BP about the same and started taking potassium/magnesium/taurine caps by NOW products and my BP runs at 117/80 most of the time. When I'm on a cycle I drop the Now pills and take scrip elinapril ( most ace inhibitors cant be taken with potassium supps) and then go back to the over the counter supps after my cycle is over.

yeah i here you i got a doc that gets me a pottasium supplement but i have to watch how much i take!! to much pottasium can kill you.

 

[ironclaw]

my blood preesure has never been the same since i have been on! 140/110 was the blood pressure today!!!!! jeez i am going to have a stroke any help. im on pct just finised my last shot of a 2-run hcg and clomid been off for 2-months.

I had the same problem, I went for some bloodwork on Monday, and my BP was around 186/98, I checked it for 3 days in a row at the gym, and it was still high, average was 180/102. I went to see my family doc., and he put me on some medication to bring it down before my surgery next week. good luck bro...

 

[solidspine]

That is not all that high, how big are you, what do you weigh,


If you want it down around 120/68 take diovan.

 

[blacksabbath1987]

That is not all that high, how big are you, what do you weigh,


If you want it down around 120/68 take diovan.

210lbs and solid 10% body fat just ran 2-pct and still on clomid i ran deca and test and a pretty high dose.finished with winny and var /eq. hey were can i get this diovan. thanks in advance.

 

[gtrcivic]

take tenormin thats what they gave my mom for high bp.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

pharmacist

chill. first you need to make sure youre using the right cuff, the right machine etc. small cuffs give high pressures. so make sure that isnt it.

also, you sound a bit stressed. go rent a home blood pressure taking machine from a doc/pharmacist, and take your BP a lot - so damn much, that you no longer give a shit about taking it, and the whole stress related BP spike goes away

you should expect your BP to go up a bit after cycle because theres more tissue to push blood through

so yah. do that first. then come back

 

[narshh]

just took it again and it is 154/99

Stop f-ing around and get on some blood pressure med. Talk to Doc about using a non -Ace inhibitor to start.

At least talk to your doc.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

yeah i here you i got a doc that gets me a pottasium supplement but i have to watch how much i take!! to much pottasium can kill you.

Too little of potassium can kill you too

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

That is not all that high, how big are you, what do you weigh,


If you want it down around 120/68 take diovan.

110 is a high diastolic.

 

[solidspine]

210lbs and solid 10% body fat just ran 2-pct and still on clomid i ran deca and test and a pretty high dose.finished with winny and var /eq. hey were can i get this diovan. thanks in advance.

I get it from my GP he writes a script, or you can buy it on line, you need a prescribption, simple and easy. pardon the spelling,

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

154/99 is not an emegency. If you came through my triage stationa and said you had high BP and that is the number we got you would wait in the lobby for a while because it is non-emergent. But it is getting high and can become one if you don't start taking medication. They will prolly strat you out on something mild like HCTZ or lopressor or toprol at a low dose.

 

[humble]

154/99 is not an emegency. If you came through my triage stationa and said you had high BP and that is the number we got you would wait in the lobby for a while because it is non-emergent. But it is getting high and can become one if you don't start taking medication. They will prolly strat you out on something mild like HCTZ or lopressor or toprol at a low dose.

Hell, most of my cardiac cath patients are ranging 180 to 220 systolic throughout the procedure, I usually start them on a nitro drip and throw in some lopresser or vasotec, lol.

 

[missionpossible]

Too little of potassium can kill you too

The point here is that you have to be careful with postassium and ace inhibitors such as enalapril, as they can cause you to retain postassium so supps of postassium are a no-no while on them.

 

[LoneTree]

my blood preesure has never been the same since i have been on! 140/110 was the blood pressure today!!!!! jeez i am going to have a stroke any help. im on pct just finised my last shot of a 2-run hcg and clomid been off for 2-months.

How old are you? That is the most important factor.
Almost no one gets stroke in their 20's and 30's unless they have congenital malformations (aneurysms) in their brain arteries.
But this blood pressure is high and would not be controlled by decreasing salt intake alone (although you must cut it down as much as possible).

Two months off cycle - if I understand right. The effect of AAS should be gone by now.
You must see your doctor to start on antihypertensives.
How old are you, and does anyone in your family has high blood pressure?

 

[missionpossible]

That is not all that high, how big are you, what do you weigh,


If you want it down around 120/68 take diovan.

Hey Solid, is Diovan an ace inhibitor?

I need to get go online and find another BP med as I'm almost out of enalapril, is the Diovan reasonably priced?

 

[humble]

Hey Solid, is Diovan an ace inhibitor?

I need to get go online and find another BP med as I'm almost out of enalapril, is the Diovan reasonably priced?

It is an angiotensin II receptor blocker, also called an ARB.

DIOVAN specifically blocks a hormone that causes your arteries to constrict, or tighten and narrow, an action that can cause high blood pressure.

 

[blz]

Med student here.

Be careful by the suggestions in this thread. DO NOT go out and buy the medicines these guys are suggesting. When prescribing antihypertensives, physcians take into account many factors when figuring out what drug to give a patient.

Current protocol for a young guy like you (actually, you never told us your age but i'll assume here) would be first to assess diet and lower Na intake. If medications are necessary, first line therapy here is to start with a Thiazide diuertic. Using an ACEI or ARB is only first line thereapy in hypertensive patients with chronic renal disease. However, ACEI and ARBs are second line treatments for patients who need more than a thiazide diuretic. Third line therapy would be to add a calcium channel blocker in there and fourth line is adding a beta blocker.

One poster suggested you take atenolol (because his mother took it). Beta blockers are only first line therapy in patients with coronary atery disease or congestive heart failure. So, not a bright idea for you to start taking beta blockers since you're not in that population.

Another reason not to just start ordering drugs for yourself are the side effects and each drug has to be taken carefully under the supervision of a physcian. As many posters mentioned, ACEIs and ARBs cause hyperkalemia (high K+) in addition to dry cough and angioedema. Thiazide duiertics cause hypokalemia (low K+), postive calcium balance, and some glucose intolerance. They are often taken together to compensate for K disturbances. Beta blockers can cause bronchospasm. Notice the poster never asked you if you had asthma. You take a beta blocker with asthma and you could kill yourself.

The point I'm trying to make here is that the control of hypertension takes into account many factors and for the most part, therapy is geared more towards the needs of the paitent. Therefore, you can't just start some medication because someone on this board told you his mom uses a beta blocker or a poster uses an ACEI/ARB. Antihypertensives cause a variety of metabolic and electrolyte disturbances that need to be monitored by a physcian.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

It is an angiotensin II receptor blocker, also called an ARB.

DIOVAN specifically blocks a hormone that causes your arteries to constrict, or tighten and narrow, an action that can cause high blood pressure.

Yes it is an ACE inhibitor. Not familiar with it being refered to as ARB. That is a term not commonly used in the medical field or the part I am involved in.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Hell, most of my cardiac cath patients are ranging 180 to 220 systolic throughout the procedure, I usually start them on a nitro drip and throw in some lopresser or vasotec, lol.

Yea nitro can bring down a BP but it can also have the rebound effect aswell causing it to bounce right back up. Nitro is an old drug used for BP control. There are better meds out there. It does great for opening the arteries of the heart. I have seen many of patients in the tombstone QRS change back to a normal ST segment. it is amazing to watch it happen.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Med student here.

Be careful by the suggestions in this thread. DO NOT go out and buy the medicines these guys are suggesting. When prescribing antihypertensives, physcians take into account many factors when figuring out what drug to give a patient.

Current protocol for a young guy like you (actually, you never told us your age but i'll assume here) would be first to assess diet and lower Na intake. If medications are necessary, first line therapy here is to start with a Thiazide diuertic. Using an ACEI or ARB is only first line thereapy in hypertensive patients with chronic renal disease. However, ACEI and ARBs are second line treatments for patients who need more than a thiazide diuretic. Third line therapy would be to add a calcium channel blocker in there and fourth line is adding a beta blocker.

One poster suggested you take atenolol (because his mother took it). Beta blockers are only first line therapy in patients with coronary atery disease or congestive heart failure. So, not a bright idea for you to start taking beta blockers since you're not in that population.

Another reason not to just start ordering drugs for yourself are the side effects and each drug has to be taken carefully under the supervision of a physcian. As many posters mentioned, ACEIs and ARBs cause hyperkalemia (high K+) in addition to dry cough and angioedema. Thiazide duiertics cause hypokalemia (low K+), postive calcium balance, and some glucose intolerance. They are often taken together to compensate for K disturbances. Beta blockers can cause bronchospasm. Notice the poster never asked you if you had asthma. You take a beta blocker with asthma and you could kill yourself.

The point I'm trying to make here is that the control of hypertension takes into account many factors and for the most part, therapy is geared more towards the needs of the paitent. Therefore, you can't just start some medication because someone on this board told you his mom uses a beta blocker or a poster uses an ACEI/ARB. Antihypertensives cause a variety of metabolic and electrolyte disturbances that need to be monitored by a physcian.

Thank you!!!

 

[jerichohill]

Med student here.

Be careful by the suggestions in this thread. DO NOT go out and buy the medicines these guys are suggesting. When prescribing antihypertensives, physcians take into account many factors when figuring out what drug to give a patient.

Current protocol for a young guy like you (actually, you never told us your age but i'll assume here) would be first to assess diet and lower Na intake. If medications are necessary, first line therapy here is to start with a Thiazide diuertic. Using an ACEI or ARB is only first line thereapy in hypertensive patients with chronic renal disease. However, ACEI and ARBs are second line treatments for patients who need more than a thiazide diuretic. Third line therapy would be to add a calcium channel blocker in there and fourth line is adding a beta blocker.

One poster suggested you take atenolol (because his mother took it). Beta blockers are only first line therapy in patients with coronary atery disease or congestive heart failure. So, not a bright idea for you to start taking beta blockers since you're not in that population.

Another reason not to just start ordering drugs for yourself are the side effects and each drug has to be taken carefully under the supervision of a physcian. As many posters mentioned, ACEIs and ARBs cause hyperkalemia (high K+) in addition to dry cough and angioedema. Thiazide duiertics cause hypokalemia (low K+), postive calcium balance, and some glucose intolerance. They are often taken together to compensate for K disturbances. Beta blockers can cause bronchospasm. Notice the poster never asked you if you had asthma. You take a beta blocker with asthma and you could kill yourself.

The point I'm trying to make here is that the control of hypertension takes into account many factors and for the most part, therapy is geared more towards the needs of the paitent. Therefore, you can't just start some medication because someone on this board told you his mom uses a beta blocker or a poster uses an ACEI/ARB. Antihypertensives cause a variety of metabolic and electrolyte disturbances that need to be monitored by a physcian.

Very Good Post! This about says it all.

 

[LAN T]

just took it again and it is 154/99

That's probably just the stress from the mind fuck you are putting yourself through right now. Have you looked into sleep issues? Apnea etc..

 

[Sam5]

I myself would like to know what your cycle consisted of. This may not seem important but I believe it is of the utmost importance. I had the same problems as you well after coming off of a cycle where I had "abused" anadrol and dbol along with high test dosages. Please post your previous cycle if not for any other reason than just arbitrary info connected with the stated result. Thanks.

 

[blacksabbath1987]

I myself would like to know what your cycle consisted of. This may not seem important but I believe it is of the utmost importance. I had the same problems as you well after coming off of a cycle where I had "abused" anadrol and dbol along with high test dosages. Please post your previous cycle if not for any other reason than just arbitrary info connected with the stated result. Thanks.

i am 36 years old and the blacksabbath1987 stands for my1987- buick grand national turbo charged 9-second car my weekend mustang spanker!!!!as far as my cycle i ran d-bol at 25mg ed to kick start for 4-weeks and test cyp-2cc aweek and deca at 1-1/2 cc a week for 14-weeks and cut with winstrol 1cc eod and anavar at 75-mg ed. i also ran some test suspension in the begining to kick start with d-bol
my bp was up last time i came off and i gave blood because it was thick as syrup i have just now starting taking some hawthorne maybe this will help!i have made appt. to see a doc tommorow but she will tell me get off and never go on again.

 

[Sam5]

Huh! Well that doesn't seem to be out of the norm. I wouldn't say you were abusing at all. Might just be genetics. People get high bp in older age and maybe this cycle just expedited the process for you. Who knows?

 

[blacksabbath1987]

Huh! Well that doesn't seem to be out of the norm. I wouldn't say you were abusing at all. Might just be genetics. People get high bp in older age and maybe this cycle just expedited the process for you. Who knows?

could be but what i want to know is can i still juice and take blood pressure meds!!! hell you cant even take some cough medicines. even headache medicines!!!

 

[humble]

Yes it is an ACE inhibitor. Not familiar with it being refered to as ARB. That is a term not commonly used in the medical field or the part I am involved in.

Uh, what part of the medical field or you in? It is classified as an ARB, maybe not in your medical field wtf?

 

[mikey007]

210lbs and solid 10% body fat just ran 2-pct and still on clomid i ran deca and test and a pretty high dose.finished with winny and var /eq. hey were can i get this diovan. thanks in advance.

Bro if your not on a cycle, cut down on your carbs and lower you calorie intake. Watch salt and increaee cardio.

 

[blz]

Yes it is an ACE inhibitor. Not familiar with it being refered to as ARB. That is a term not commonly used in the medical field or the part I am involved in.

An ACE inhibitor is different from an ARB although therapeutically they have almost identical effects. ACE inhibitors block the formation of angiotensin II by blocking the action of angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE). This effectively blocks about 90% of the action of angiotensin II (there are other molecules that can bind the angiotensin II receptor as well, so thats why it's not 100%). ARBs block the Angiotensin II receptor directly blocking 100% of it's action. They basically do the same thing.

Also, ACE is involved in the breakdown of bradykinins. By blocking bradykinin degradation, they accumulate and lead to the dry cough experienced by users of ACEIs. ARBs aren't associated with dry cough due to their direct action on the receptor while leaving ACE unharmed.

So the reason you haven't heard of ACEIs being called ARBs is becuase they are different drugs (plus ARBs are relatively new).

 

[trez]

Possibly irrelevant...:

I just noticed you said you take red yeast rice. Do you take CoQ10 to compensate for the levels you'll lose on RYR? (Never taken it myself but that's what I can remember from when I looked into it...)

Low CoQ10 may be linked to higher blood pressure... just a thought. My blood pressure was a little high back about 6 months ago, went running more often and drank more water and I was fine. Hopefully it's that simple for you too!

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

An ACE inhibitor is different from an ARB although therapeutically they have almost identical effects. ACE inhibitors block the formation of angiotensin II by blocking the action of angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE). This effectively blocks about 90% of the action of angiotensin II (there are other molecules that can bind the angiotensin II receptor as well, so thats why it's not 100%). ARBs block the Angiotensin II receptor directly blocking 100% of it's action. They basically do the same thing.

Also, ACE is involved in the breakdown of bradykinins. By blocking bradykinin degradation, they accumulate and lead to the dry cough experienced by users of ACEIs. ARBs aren't associated with dry cough due to their direct action on the receptor while leaving ACE unharmed.

So the reason you haven't heard of ACEIs being called ARBs is becuase they are different drugs (plus ARBs are relatively new).

I actually asked onof the ER docs tonight and he said what you basically just said.