BJJ guys

[Kane Fan]

Hell yah! It's far easier to barrage someone with subs from open guard. In open guard you have more hip mobility than closed guard. With open guard you can set up far more sweeps also. Closed guard is generally a defensive posture used to keep someone from rising and pounding you with strikes.

well that to
but I ment you can sub someone from inside of thier open guard

 

[Kane Fan]

well bigger guys are easie rto girp to a point
when they are past that point tho it's hard to lock moves in
like guys can only do a true triangle on me if they have long legs
otherwise they have to go for a striaght leg triangle

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

well that to
but I ment you can sub someone from inside of thier open guard

It's virtually impossible. How do you do it? I've never been subbed by someone in my open guard. Realistically you have to pass any guard to effectively sub except for some kind of leg lock. Falling back into a leg lock might work on a beginner or someone very tired, but usually it's a recipe for getting mounted.

It's easier to sub a guy out of closed guard with a collar choke, sleeve choke, or can opener.

 

[Demonix]

One thing to remember is you don't have to sit in the guard. Posture up, break guard and just stand up, its that simple. Some guys forget about this, they get in the just start to get into the grappling game. People always say, "wow look at Chuck, he just gets up and breaks away from takedowns" Ya I know we are not Chuck, but its the mentallity. You get on top and in guard, don't think about passing or what to do next, just focus on getting up and getting away.

Just keep rolling and watch guys that are good at escapes. Get used to pulling away when a guy gets a hold or gets grabby.

As far as subs to learn, I would go with high percentage ones like gullotine, kimura, rear naked choke.

 

[Kane Fan]

It's virtually impossible. How do you do it? I've never been subbed by someone in my open guard. Realistically you have to pass any guard to effectively sub except for some kind of leg lock. Falling back into a leg lock might work on a beginner or someone very tired, but usually it's a recipe for getting mounted.

It's easier to sub a guy out of closed guard with a collar choke, sleeve choke, or can opener.

you can fall back for an ankle which someone I train with does from time to time but I'll usually turn for a different kind of ankle lock
I'm sorry I don't have a name for it but I can describe it
lets say your in open guard and you turn to your left to go after thier right leg
your right arm goes down over thier shin/ankle area (low on the shin kinda) and your left hand goes to the top of thier foot, your right hand on your left forearm (similar to KeyLock)
usually this dosn't just present itself you kinda have to force the situation with posture in thier guard with one foot up sort of will make it easier
but if they go after your foot when you post then of course you can't do it
there are a lot of ways to stop it, but the same is true of any submission really
oh and I nearly choked a guy to a tap from a shirt choke
but of course you couldn't do that in NOGI/Mixed enviorment

 

[Kane Fan]

well, Guillotine isn't really a high percentage sub with skillfull opponents from what I have seen
usually you just wind up with them in yoru guard, but if you have a good guard it's no loss
as to standing up to break guard, sure if your in a start from the feet grappling tournament or match, but a lot of times you start on your knees, to me it's bad form to stand up at any point in a match that didn't start from the feet

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

you can fall back for an ankle which someone I train with does from time to time but I'll usually turn for a different kind of ankle lock
I'm sorry I don't have a name for it but I can describe it
lets say your in open guard and you turn to your left to go after thier right leg
your right arm goes down over thier shin/ankle area (low on the shin kinda) and your left hand goes to the top of thier foot, your right hand on your left forearm (similar to KeyLock)
usually this dosn't just present itself you kinda have to force the situation with posture in thier guard with one foot up sort of will make it easier
but if they go after your foot when you post then of course you can't do it
there are a lot of ways to stop it, but the same is true of any submission really
oh and I nearly choked a guy to a tap from a shirt choke
but of course you couldn't do that in NOGI/Mixed enviorment

Are you describing a toehold? You can pull that off on someone with a sloppy open guard, but most open guard players are going to use their feet as hooks curling around the back or your legs or in your crotch or put it tight on your hip. There isn't any space to grab a foot as they keep their feet snugged against you.

Here's a clip of a leg lock during a guard pass. Take note of Jean Jacques leg position when he applies the kneebar. You and I went back and forth in an old thread here where I tried to describe how you can place your shin in the hip of the guy you are kneebarring to make it far tighter. Jean Jacques does it in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch v=S6PXdmspbpk&mode=related&search=

 

[Kane Fan]

well thanks for the video
but I told you you don't do it straight from kneeling in his open guard
you have to post to open his open guard a bit more then turn

 

[Roc86]

Work the butterfly guard more if you wants to sweep off your back. Personally Im a strong thick powerful guy and I try my best to control all action on the ground and avoid being put on my back @ all costs. My most proficient subs come from side control and every now and again Ill spin for a heel hook or a toe hold.

 

[Kane Fan]

sounds like me
I'm really not good at all in Mount, I like Side Control
I don't even care to go for Mount unless the person is too worn out to have a good bump
and even then what usually happens is when they go to roll me I use the momentum to wind up with them in my guard but my guard moving towards a sub attempt
even tho my offensive guardwork is crap