Bigdho/JKurz 5x5

[wnt2bBeast]

its heresay,
i think its best when you can get 2 sets of 10 then you increase that weight..remember to as you increase your 5x5 weight the load on the accessory work will increase as well even if you dont move those weights up..as you progress youll find it harder and harder to increase those secondary weights

 

[forfucksake]

its heresay,

No its not....it came from needsize himself.

 

[JKurz1]

Needsize would agree with us...trust me....5x5 is more of a concern to failure than anything else............once you hit 10 in your aux. movement, bump up 5lbs and get at least 8........then when you get 10, bump again............very easy

 

[forfucksake]

Needsize would agree with us...trust me....5x5 is more of a concern to failure than anything else............once you hit 10 in your aux. movement, bump up 5lbs and get at least 8........then when you get 10, bump again............very easy

No offense, it may well be working for you......but needsize has specifically said to go to failure on the high rep exercises. From the mouth of the man himself "The 8-10 rep sets are to failure". He has stated it several times.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

if youre continually progressing in all weights your fine

this quote was taken from NS when asked how to increase the 8-10 rep sets

"I would say by as small an increment as you can. I would raise the weight when you can get 2 sets of 10 reps on a given weight" by Needsize

 

[forfucksake]

Wouldn't this just be your standard volume routine if you're not training to failure in the high rep sets ??

Seems it would be a standard volume routine but with a few less sets.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

your standard volume routines dont have you doing 5 reps sets..maybe on your final set..most do not include a strength combo...

personally i like to stop before failure..i almost never hit one rep maxes i always try to eek out 2 reps..i dont like teaching my mind/body to fail/stop..

 

[bigdho]

The mian premis behind 5x5 is 2 fold (for me) 1 progressive overload. the whole routine is designed so you can employ progressive overload for a good amount of time. 2. The log. It keeps you from overtraining because all your movements are laid out for you and it keeps you from missing workouts because you dont want to throw off your log.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

totally agree with ya bigD..

 

[forfucksake]

OK thanks for the discussion.

I think I am going to try stopping short of failure in the high rep exercises as well now, I will treat it like the 5x5 and increase when I can get 2 sets of 10 good form reps.

Should I completely avoid failure even on the last set of the high reps ? e.g. say I get 10 reps the first set and in the second I will get 10 if I got to failure, or should I stop short at 9 reps ?