big winter cycle

[R/Tman]

hey, im getting ready to start my 4th cycle, the last one was this following,

250mg sust eod 10 weeks
fina 75 ed 7 weeks
dbol 40mg 6 weeks


im 217 with 13%bf,
im going to do another bulking cycle from now till feb to really get huge, then cut up, il ike to get 225 and stay aruond 13-14%bf before i cut, any advice, thank

 

[R/Tman]

wha is a good way to go from there, anyone

 

[DaddyX]

thats fine but why 7 weeks of fina ? why nt 6 or 8. i like to keep my weeks even that looks fine since its your 4th cycle

 

[R/Tman]

that was the last cycle i did, not the one i wantto do, im asking, where can i go from here

 

[Goldprospector]

that was the last cycle i did, not the one i wantto do, im asking, where can i go from here

As I have seen from some of your other posts....You don't need to go up in amounts every single cycle.
I saw something in you thread with the pic's where Quad thought it was absurd for looking at the amounts that you were thinking about, something like 2650 mg EW??

As long as you have taken sufficient time off from you last cycle and as long as you are not WAY over you genetic limit (which I don't think you are) then there is no reason to keep increasing dosages every time. Although you can't expect to gain 25 pounds on every cycle while doing the same dosages.
Put your goals into perspective such as whether you want to bulk up, cut, get harger, more vascular ect...then try some different chemicals to help you meet you goals. Although you will find that most will saying it is totally diet and training...We all know that AAS will help. Such as prop and winny for cutting. EQ for increased Red blood cell count (vascularity) ect.

 

[R/Tman]

i have good trainging, and i can get better with the diet, and im working on that. im trying to get the most muscle i can and find the gear that helps the most, thats why i thought eq wuold work?

 

[Goldprospector]

i have good trainging, and i can get better with the diet, and im working on that. im trying to get the most muscle i can and find the gear that helps the most, thats why i thought eq wuold work?

If "the most muscle" is what you are after then you are looking for a good bulking cycle. I would think that you could not use as many compounds and use a more androgenic cycle to achieve more mass than including EQ. That way you are not overloading your system with what seems to be way too much gear. I know I am not the most experienced user here but I have seen too many good vets tell other bro's about too much gear and/or the wrong gear.

I can't "give you a cycle" because I am still in the learning process myself. But with your age, it would seem that you should have a lot of years in front of you (whether juicing or not). Just take your time and get it slowly and it will stay with you longer or better.

 

[JerseyDevil]

yeah bro... ive seen your pics and you are thick for your age but that cycle is off the hook for a 19 year old guy... tone it down a little if you have to go back on the gear and see a doctor about your blood values, etc if you can man. it will save you a bunch of trouble when you are my age (29)

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Some sound advice, but you've already made up your mind about your doses. My advise is to start the tren near the end of your d-bol, at around week 5 and run it for 6 to 7 weeks. The reason is that you will make great gains on your test and dbol. If you cut the dbol and tren and continue the test, you will not get the anabolic effect you hard earily in the cycle, and your body may percieve the reduced anabolic action of two of the drugs being removed, as a sign to stop growth, or greatly reduce it. You'll probably continue to eat the same calories you were, and without the need for them, they'll simply turn into fat gains. If you start the tren near the end of the dbol, you will probably make continuous gains, and may be able to increase your calories to make better gains near the end, without gaining body fat due to the tren being present. This will also reduce the side effects of running tren AND dbol for 6 weeks together with a large dose of test. Just my 2 cc's...

 

[R/Tman]

dbol isnt in my cycle, that was what i did last one


its test,fina and eq now

 

[theoak01]

why not this

Test 400mg a week 10 weeks
eq 400mg week 10 weeks
fina 75md ed weeks 10-13 (until clomid starts)

decent fourth cycle not overkill but should work well,Im 19 also bro and that other cycle was insane, good luck whatever you do bro but be safe and get blood values checked a few times while on cycle

 

[R/Tman]

the only reason i made up that cycle is cause i have use sust at 750mg b4, thats what i was trying to see
would running test enth at 500mg or lower not be less and not ad good

 

[theoak01]

it depends,I think 750 isnt something I plan to see in dose wise until im closer to the 8 or 9th cycle,with diet dead on I feel that doing a couple compounds at lower dose I can gain just fine. as long as you have given your receptors time to recover lower doses can still work.

 

[R/Tman]

so i can go with 500mg and be ok, i see everyone telling people to use 500mg on the first cycle, why is that, ur telling me u can use 500mg on 8 cycles b4 u even go to 750mg

 

[theoak01]

because diet is 80% think of steroids as another supplement,a good one but its just that, and I feel if you give yourself adquite time between cycles you wont burn out,sure the gains wont always be 25lbs but every cycle adding doses isnt needed. my cycle history is this

1 500mg sust 8 weeks
dbol week 10-13
gains kept 15lbs

2 test enanthate 400mg week 10weeks
t3 used in this aswell
gains kept 10lbs but dropped about 3%bf

my next cycle Im going to start after jan 1 will be
test E 400mg 10weeks
deca 250mg 10weeks
dbol 30mg 4 weeks

see no need to get crazy high for results, it takes years to build a mountain of muscle not a few months.

good luck

 

[R/Tman]

thanks, that helps alot, but when ur off, how u keep growing, theres no way u are as ful and stuff when off, i just hate being off, haha


i guess since im adding othe gear this time, i dont have to go up
i can use 500mg ehtn

with fina and eq, how much eq is right for me?

 

[theoak01]

thats what I do I use multiple compounds and stay at lower doses. as for growing when off,I havent been on since june 02 and took a bit of time off training,about 8 months and since september I am up from 175 to 190 natty,its all in the diet my man. I hate going off also but Im in college so I cant stay on all the time like I want to.

Cheers
Oak