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he got three whites on his 2nd attempt at crawfords apf memorial today.
congrats man!!! i've been waiting for this for months now
congrats man!!! i've been waiting for this for months now
big gene rychlak takes back the title of worlds biggest bench 1010!!!
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DieselGunz
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holy shit~
salemlot
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here's the vid i hope the link works... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnjXLQE2joA
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ForemanRules
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Who cares about fake equipped benching. Lets see him hit 725+ raw if he can.
there's nothing fake about what he did. don't belittle other people's accomplishments regardless of your viewpoint or opinion. it reflects an immature and selfish mentality, which then nobody cares about now or what you may say/think in the future
D- I have been thinking about the whole shirt/raw thing for a while and i was hoping maybe u could give me a quick synopsis or point me in the right direction.
If the "suit" gives you x number of extra pounds on your bench... and a new suit gives you x + 20, then that is purely artificial strength. What was the purpose of adding the suit to the competition however many years ago? How come it wasnt left as raw only. I love seeing people move unbelievable weights as much as the next person, but if the suit is what gives an extra 100lbs (or however many) then where is the line drawn?
I would assume that there are raw only competitions? I am genuinely interested in how this evolved
If the "suit" gives you x number of extra pounds on your bench... and a new suit gives you x + 20, then that is purely artificial strength. What was the purpose of adding the suit to the competition however many years ago? How come it wasnt left as raw only. I love seeing people move unbelievable weights as much as the next person, but if the suit is what gives an extra 100lbs (or however many) then where is the line drawn?
I would assume that there are raw only competitions? I am genuinely interested in how this evolved
and you are correct it is an evolution. there are a couple raw organizations floating around, which have really caught interest the last 12 months or so. bench shirts have been around since at least the early 80's, however the technology behind the shirts has evolved into something that doesn't even resemble the shirts of yore.get456 said:D- I have been thinking about the whole shirt/raw thing for a while and i was hoping maybe u could give me a quick synopsis or point me in the right direction.
If the "suit" gives you x number of extra pounds on your bench... and a new suit gives you x + 20, then that is purely artificial strength. What was the purpose of adding the suit to the competition however many years ago? How come it wasnt left as raw only. I love seeing people move unbelievable weights as much as the next person, but if the suit is what gives an extra 100lbs (or however many) then where is the line drawn?
I would assume that there are raw only competitions? I am genuinely interested in how this evolved
shirts were originally used to help protect the lifters shoulders and to prevent pec tears. also from the start they helped the lifter lift more then they could without it, at least those who were smart enough to figure one out.
as time went by different materials were tried. then multiple layers. then different cuts, open/closed etc, were tried and when all were put together, very late 90's thru 2002, we started seeing bench records fall monthly
now what we have today, as everything in life, is a result of our past. we have different feds who allow different materials of shirts, different ply's, style's and multiples of each. we have raw lifting for those who want to test their strength that way
what we don't have is unity in the sport which can be a double edged sword. no unification can lead to less credibility as a whole. however, we do have freedom of choice, which is invaluable, to compete how you or i want to. as an example, recently a young teen was red lighted by a judge in one of the more strict feds in the sport. after hundreds of people reviewed the lift on the internet, the conclusion was reached that he was likely more then deep enough at the bottom of his squat, which is why the judge redded him. when the youngster got home and vented his frustration (he was only 16) on the internet, the judge and federation found out about it. they quickly unleashed a firestorm on the kid, threatening banishment from the federation. the kid relented and apologized. what if that fed was the only game in town? what would that kid do if he was banned? seriously?
i think it's great when athletes from different feds come together and compete under the same set of rules. it gives an idea who is strongest among the set of rules given, at least on that day
one final note, you likely won't see bench records fall as fast as you used to. it took awhile for the strength of many athletes to catch up to the technology, but imo, it has come close to reaching that. and yes today's athletes are stronger then those past. how can i say that? raw lifts today have skyrocketed over the records of 20, 30, or 40 yrs ago. and so everyone knows, many of those raw lifts were performed by athletes who compete in gear in other feds. equipment does make you stronger. so before people start jumping on the bandwagon bashing these outstanding lifts, take a step back and evaluate the the big picture. i hope they do this in real life as well, but i'm sure they don't. otherwise we wouldn't have so many fukin problems in the world. <--- just my 2 pips on the topic
Thanks for the reply... I do find all that interesting... I think that is the way it is in a lot of evolving sports-- many different organizations and many different sets of rules. ( I say evolving because PL isnt exactly as big as baseball yet )
To the average person it gets very confusing... and when we hear about how the shirts/suits can add hundred's of lbs to a lift... it becomes... almost too much, we question what the athlete is REALLY capable of... One guy has an approved suit that adds +100lbs and the other guy has a suit but his only adds +90lbs... all of a sudden, where the two would be equal normally, the artificial addition has created a victor.
I can def see the place where those suits fit in when we talk about injury prevention though. To me, the real measure is what the person is capable of before we add any artificial device though, no matter what the reason. If a lifter needs a suit or he gets injured, then the lifter is not at the level that the person is that can perform the lift raw and not be injured... make sense?
I guess to me, IMO, when it comes to the most elite of athletes, they no longer get the benefit of any artificial device. They are at a place where they should have to rely 100% on what they have built. People are not created equal and there will always be someone better and there will always be someone worse, thats just the way the world works
The truest of tests is raw, unassisted...... shirt/suits will always have a place, (seeing those tremendous lifts is awesome!) but the strongest person is the one that does the most with no outside influence.
But thats just my .02... cant say im an expert
)To the average person it gets very confusing... and when we hear about how the shirts/suits can add hundred's of lbs to a lift... it becomes... almost too much, we question what the athlete is REALLY capable of... One guy has an approved suit that adds +100lbs and the other guy has a suit but his only adds +90lbs... all of a sudden, where the two would be equal normally, the artificial addition has created a victor.
I can def see the place where those suits fit in when we talk about injury prevention though. To me, the real measure is what the person is capable of before we add any artificial device though, no matter what the reason. If a lifter needs a suit or he gets injured, then the lifter is not at the level that the person is that can perform the lift raw and not be injured... make sense?
I guess to me, IMO, when it comes to the most elite of athletes, they no longer get the benefit of any artificial device. They are at a place where they should have to rely 100% on what they have built. People are not created equal and there will always be someone better and there will always be someone worse, thats just the way the world works
The truest of tests is raw, unassisted...... shirt/suits will always have a place, (seeing those tremendous lifts is awesome!) but the strongest person is the one that does the most with no outside influence.
But thats just my .02... cant say im an expert
salemlot
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this video quality is alot better... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlDWdfTAx8o for foremanrules why do you come into a powerlift forum to stir up sh*t do you not have anything better to do?
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