Bicept Injections?

[Andy13]

Try a few of these lol. Most prove that IGF-1 and GH DO indeed have increased localized effects on the tissues, muscles included, where they are injected. And as we all should know, most steroids, like nandrolone, trenbolone, etc, increase IGF-1 levels. I hate to prove you wrong bro, but it's right there in black and white. Sure, it doesn't work very well for most people, sure it CAN screw you up if you do it like Greg Valentino, but does localized injection work via IGF-1, GH, fascia-stretching, etc? Hell yes, and the medical evidence proves it. Deny it now.

You don't get it. You are arguing against non-issues. For the sake of discussion, we will assume GH and IGF-1 do indeed cause localized growth. However, just because AAS cause an increase in IGF-1 and GH does NOT imply that AAS, administered locally, will cause local growth. IGF-1 and GH are water-soluble peptide molecules, not steroids. A local effect from administering these peptides does NOT imply that the same effect can be caused by locally injecting steroids. Can you see the flaw in your argument?

 

[Tux]

No, actually, they were separate arguments. IGF-1 and GH administered locally WILL cause localized growth, hence your statement that site injections don't work is wrong. Localized injections of oil-based gear like test enth, etc, will stretch the fascia over time and allow for more muscle growth, again proving your statement wrong. Finally, localized injections of test suspension have been proven to have higher affinity for AR receptors in the muscle injected into, simply b/c they are closer, once AGAIN disproving your statement. Got anything else to try, or will you yield?

 

[Andy13]

No, actually, they were separate arguments. IGF-1 and GH administered locally WILL cause localized growth, hence your statement that site injections don't work is wrong.

You are just not making sence. Whether or not GH and IGF-1 cause localized growth is completely irrelevent to this discussion-- we're talking about AAS.

Localized injections of oil-based gear like test enth, etc, will stretch the fascia over time and allow for more muscle growth, again proving your statement wrong.

If you re-read my post, I said that injections of AAS do not cause AR mediated growth locally.

Finally, localized injections of test suspension have been proven to have higher affinity for AR receptors in the muscle injected into, simply b/c they are closer, once AGAIN disproving your statement.

Now this is absurd.. But, since it has been proven, as you say, then you will have no trouble directing me to medline references (that are relevent to this this last claim).

I'm waiting.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Yeah sorry Tux, but I agree with Andy on this one.....i'd have to see the studies for this as well.

BMJ

 

[Tux]

You won't get them, b/c you don't deserve them. I've given you your proof half a dozen times, and you can't admit to being wrong on a single point. I remember being like you... maybe someday you'll grow up. I'm out of this convo.

 

[krishna]

Neither of you has proven anything. First of all, you can't prove things just by saying I told you so; second, nothing is "proven" in science. All you can do is disprove things until it's clear what the reality of things are. You don't prove anything. You start with a theory with the goal to try to disprove it. Both of you should go read about something called the scientific method.

 

[Singleton]

Yeah, well, it may work. It may not.

More evidence is needed.

 

[Tux]

Krishna, here's your exact scientific method, believe I work with it enough to know how to use it. 1) I, and thousands of others, have observed site injections. 2) Our hypothesis is, they work, for a variety of reasons, otherwise people would have long ago stopped doing them. 3) Our prediction? That one's tougher, but it's something like, site-injecting AAS and IGF-1/GH, along with other growth factors, will have a localized effect higher than that of the systemic effect. 4) This has BEEN tested, dozens if not hundreds of times, in both fully double-blind, placebo-controlled studies and in the real world by bbers. 5) Yes, we are still testing discrepancies, but this has been done enough times by enough studies and enough people with positive results to be considered a proven theory for certain, if not yet a scientific FACT. It took over 2000 YEARS to PROVE that the Earth wasn't round, so are you willing to wait 2 more millenia to believe that site injections are a FACT? If so, your loss. There's enough evidence, and enough testing of hypotheses, to easily support this as a well-established theory, and I see no reason to try and discredit 1000's of medical studies and personal experiments by implying I have no knowledge of something which I can obviously use better than you Ok, so if you can have a comeback to that, a GOOD one, you win



1. Observe some aspect of the universe.
2. Invent a tentative description, called a hypothesis, that is consistent with what you have observed.
3. Use the hypothesis to make predictions.
4. Test those predictions by experiments or further observations and modify the hypothesis in the light of your results.
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until there are no discrepancies between theory and experiment and/or observation.



I edited this for the reason stated.... we mostly all have valid points of view, and we're going to stick by them until someone can unequivocally prove us wrong... and none of us is likely going to be around long enough for that to happen. Let's agree to disagree, and if it works for you, yay. If it doesn't, well then it doesn't. That's all there is to it

 

[Singleton]

Site injections DO NOT WORK via AR to cause localized growth. Ester, no ester, oil, water suspension- It does not matter.

Do you have some medline refs to back this up? Not trying to say you're wrong, I just want to know.

 

[LVTitan]

Site injections DO NOT WORK via AR to cause localized growth. Ester, no ester, oil, water suspension- It does not matter.

Start sticking needles in muscles that aren't ideal for IM injections and you may wind up really hurting yourself.

Delts, quads, glutes ONLY.

easy tiger we do not all mix injection sites for the purpose of 'site enhancement' ,
like stated above, when taking ED shots, you need to start moving your injection sites around to keep from hitting the same spot too often. this is the most common reason for site injections. any good size muscle group will work. my bros hit : pecs,tris,bis,lats,traps,delts,quads,glutes,calves when they have to, you are not going to hurt yourself (may experience pain, but not do damage)