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Actually I'm curious about your "parralel" squat here. Almost everyone here advocates full ROM, ATF squats, any particular reason you think yours are a better idea?
Bicep mass...plz help!
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sidney61199
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I have always been a supporter of perfect form and that is all I use. Maybe I'm wrong here but if you have the perfect form for all exercises above why would they all be hitting the bi's so much. I've been going to the gym and reading up on stuff since I was about 16 so I'm not a total noob but I am self taught. I'm also not a total puss in the gym either so I'm pretty sure I've been doing things right. Back to my questions, I can see how diffrently target muscles effects other indirectly (example: bench and shoulder/bi's) but I just think if you do an exersise 100% correct not much should carry over into diffrent muscle groups. I'm clearly in the minority here but I'm not afraid to post my opinion (just afraid of your answers, don't flame me too bad). Thanks for any input.
I am only referring to bicep peak, not total arm size. My tris are great, I just wanna add more to my biceps.
It seems that most of you guys trust the growth of your bis to your back workouts. As soon as this semester is over, I am going to try the Bill Starr 5x5 routine and from what you guys say, this sounds like it might give me some good results on my bis.
It seems that most of you guys trust the growth of your bis to your back workouts. As soon as this semester is over, I am going to try the Bill Starr 5x5 routine and from what you guys say, this sounds like it might give me some good results on my bis.
duke of angels
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sidney61199 said:
Sidney since you have been working out since your were 16 you probably are a "veteran" as far as size comes. If not you haven't been consistent or lifting "properly" (whatever that is!) with a good diet. As a veteran all size in arms comes with gains across all muscle groups for purposes of functionality. Your body has no reason to curl a 100 DB if you can't row it...
You are 6'5 270 so I cannot imagine you having "small" biceps. Your BF% is 22 so if you want them to appear larger I'd say LOSE THAT FAT! Other then that bicep shape is genetic, there's not much you can do about it.
I don't understand your 100% correct form statement. If your doing a lift that is meant to isolate 1 muscle as much as possible (it's impossible for perfect isolation...) you are making some sense. If your doing a large compound movement like squats, dead lifts, rows... etc your statement is completely false if your using 100% good technique. All muscles in a functional compound movement work together as they would in the real world, thus as one gets strong all must get stronger to compensate otherwise your body is not only inefficient (extra power never used) it is potentially harmful because they won't work together properly and in balance. I've read about power lifters exploding their biceps trying to get a huge lift... I'm certain this would indicate the biceps are working their ass off to keep up with your powerful back and leg muscles.
There's also been scientific studies showing arm isolation movements produce no results on their own for veteran lifters. As far as noobs go of course it does something, but I bet that curl is making their shoulder stronger since they're so out of shape! I'd actually prescribe the isolation movements to a beginner before I'd tell someone who's trying to bulk to do them...
Even body builders who live on isolationism bulk with the compound movements and only rely on trade knowledge ("folklore") when they're cutting and shaping. As far as I know these simply burn more calories and it's already tough to eat enough when bulking!!!
There is some off in space chance you might have biceps with extremely good leverage (because of where the muscle connects) and aren't full size, but I doubt it. Most likely just have "flat" biceps because as far I can tell NO ONE under works their biceps. Often times it their first lift so they can max it!! lol... I'm going to make another post about bicep isolationism...
mad_monkey59
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Heavy compound movements, heavy barbell curls, preacher curls.
Worked for me.
Worked for me.
Fajitas said:
I dunno man. The problem with this approach is that your torso will grow also, so
in my case where I have proportionally smaller arms this approach doesnt help.
Yes I have put inches on my arms by compound movement, but the problem is my back and chest have grown as well, so my arms still look small in comparison
it sucks...genetics are a biatch.
sidney61199
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Good info above but I would think the strength means size? I can get 4 or so reps of 115lbs (2x45's, 2x5's, 15lb bar) so why wouldn't my arms be bigger (there 16"s cold and rested)? Also I row about 200+lbs and T-bar row 160lbs (3x45's + a 25lb), I can go on but in other words I'm pretty strong all around. Not to be egotistical but if I looked as strong as I was I'd be pretty damn big. My problem is I'd easily settle for the other way around and look ripped and not be that strong (if that made sense). Any ways as I said in my first post I can give some good advise on tri's but you wouldn't want to listen to me about bi's. There strong but don't look it.
64Pilot
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Peak is genetic. If you want a little more size then work them on back day, after perforoming some pulling movements. From there just go heavy, but not to the point your form deteriorates. Just romp on your biceps. heavy standing barbells. drops sets etc.... At the end of the day it comes down to genetics
sidney61199
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I think your right. I hate to pull the genetic card but mine look ok size wise but I'm just not getting that peak. It's improved over time and I'm hitting the weights hard as hell here lately so I hope it will get some what better but I guess to get that softball looking knot on the top of your arm you have got to have some good genes. I still think with a little time I could get there but I would think I would have been there by now.
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