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Best retirement vehicles?? Suggestions??

I'm not talking bout biz ideas, etc im talkin 'bout a generally considered safe retirement fund like med or low yield in a roth.

What are some suggestions?

I need to get something started, I had a pension in my formeer job but may not be able to return it so thats axed, + if I did the future benefits were slashed do to the crash. It could recovery, but im think another recession in nthe near future. Plus you have to work to contribute to it and the workload has been taking a beating for several years.

I sures the hell don't trust the gov't and social security.

So what should I do?
 
Well I had meant to post this on Bran's board, have no idea how I ended up here. Must be getting nervous, leaving for KUMed shortly to get xrayed-I have several problem spots that won't heal where they suspect there are still meta staples under my skin and will have to fish them out. fuk!
 
I will copy this over to the EF Success and Wealth Board

I am also making a formal request for gonelifting to respond to your excellent question, I will PM him.
 
Your best option is a company sponsored retirement program like a 401k or 457k...a cash match program. This is typically taken out of your paycheck and considerably reduces your tax burden. Additionally, a Roth IRA will be of benefit. There is a low cap on yearly investments but if invested wisely....will be a nice pile of cash during retirement. Check out index funds as they rise with the market and fall with the market....but not as hard either way. My IRA custodian is Vanguard.....they have some excellent index funds with no overhead (upfront commissions and fees....no load funds).

Good luck!
 
Well, we tell our clients... lol jk ha haa

I would say that a Roth is ONE way to go about it, but there are many factors involved in this decision making. Of course the common knowledge of diversification still stands. You want to have risky and less risky investments in your portfolio. Some of the less risky ones could have dividend paying stocks or even bonds. These vehicles should be used in the Roth IRA and any other taxe deferred account because you don't pay taxes EVERY YEAR on the dividends.

If you're unsure of the exact funds or stocks to buy, I would go with an index type fund of the broader market until you learn some of the other choices that are offered. These funds have outperformed more than roughly 80% of the other managed funds around. Vangaurd Group is a very good source for these index funds with VERY low expense ratios to manage your accounts. You may want to split up these index funds into an S&P 500 and small/mid cap or the Wilshire 5000 index fund of some kind. I would go about 75% in that and about 25% in an international fund. If these are too risky for you, and only YOU can decide, you may want an income producing fund like a Ginnie mae (sp?) fund GNMA This is also provided from the Vangaurd Group family of funds which I recommend, again, for their very low expense ratio. This GNMA fund has payed out about 9% last year and about 7-7.5 for the last 5 and 10 years with a lot less risk than the market. THERE IS STILL RISK in these funds but it is less than just buying stocks.

The example of the GNMA fund would be great for an IRA because it would not be taxed constantly while you're getting payed every year from them and would grow that much faster tax deferred or tax free as in the case of a Roth.

Also another thing to consider. Will you be in a higher tax bracket when you retire? You may want to look into the benefits of the Roth opposed to the tax savings of a traditional IRA to make your decision. You can NOT deduct a Roth IRA's contributions for the benefit of taking all the money out tax free upon retirement. If you choose a traditional IRA, then you can deduct the cost NOW on your taxes and use that money for yourself or more investing..or whatever, but must pay taxes on the money taken out at retirement. So it's a decision you must make when calculating your tax bracket now and in retirement. The bottom line just fyi is most people will benefit from choosing the Roth, depending on age etc...

Sorry for the long post, I DID leave stuff out as to not sound too geeky. I also proposed the Vangaurd Group to answer one of your questions as to not totally deviate from your original post.

If you have a little patience and don't mind reading. I HIGHLY recommend Bob Brinker Market Timer newsletter. He has been spot on for many many years and gives very solid advice in regards to the exact mutual funds to buy (and sell when the time comes) He also has a "passive" portfolio for the index funds which I outlined if you're not into reading and keeping up with everything. good luck!
 
Help4john beat me to it. Great advice and on the Vangaurd funds.
 
rsnoble-im-back said:
I'm not talking bout biz ideas, etc im talkin 'bout a generally considered safe retirement fund like med or low yield in a roth.

One thing to keep in mind is that return is generally commensurate with risk (volatility). This is why short-term govenment backed products and your savings accounts pay so little. Sometimes you can get a great deal or locate a mispricing but there are some smart minds already hammering this stuff. As a rule the best way to balance this stuff out is diversification - when you add assets to a portfolio that don't move in tandem (uncorrelated), it enables you to improve the risk/return profile of a total portfolio in that you can get more expected return for a given amount of volatility or lower the necessary volatility to give you the desired return.

This is why concentrating your wealth in a single company or area can be a bad idea. No one is going to pay you more for putting all your money in 1 company while everyone else is diversifying. The investment itself does not change simply because the investor chooses to be inefficient. This is called diversfiable risk (volatility) and it is not compensated with increased expected returns.

The big question is - what vehicles are available to you to maximize your wealth and what investments can be owned optimally in that vehicle. Do you have your own business? Any surplus wealth? Defined contribution plans are nice. If you have your own business, don't have much squirelled away, are older, and have good available cash a defined benefit plan with a catchup provision enables you to shelter some good wealth from taxes.

Just some ideas and concepts to mull over but some very important ones.
 
Great board bro, Seriously. When you get a few people here that can answer some good questions, that's all you need for some interest, and it seems you definately have that from the little I've read so far.

I like it! Congrats man, awesome!
 
Yes, Bran! This board is becoming more popular and more enjoyable!

We all commend you for a job well done! Keep up the good work!
 
ThanX! Great input! I was interested in learning on this subject as I also look forward to go into business, and obviously won't be contributing to any 401k, etc.

Boy, I must've really been dippin in the pain meds yesterday..lol.

Personally I figured a Roth, but wanted too see you guys had to say. Great posts!
 
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