best PH? Been natty for a while need a boost...

[Guitarhead]

23, 180lbs, 5'10''

Hurt my shoulder a year ago... had to take off for 10 weeks and slowly started gettin back in it.... was 205 lbs and benchin 365.... doc says not to lift heavy anymore cause i have ac seperation...soo...

I lost weight...muscle and size... from not being able to train..

been recently going good, good diet, just reppin weights and tryin to cut up since thats all i can do...

I want to add some lean mass,, and just get shredded..

I have ran beast and hella before..loved both of them .. so i am just trying to decide what to run next...

Beast- gave me good strength, and noticeable size gains in arms and more definition and hardness, BUT made me so DAM TIRED

-Hella- it has been so long since i have taken it .. but i remember it gave me decent strength.. and ok size...

Goals- I need to cut up more.. and I want to Get MORE SIZE ON MY ARMS

so... what do yall think .. BEAST... HELLADROL...KATANDROL...

what you think?

 

[die faster]

how about some epi stacked with katana? or just epi alone is good for cutting and adding a little size

 

[Nitlion4]

I had some problems a couple of years ago with an ac separation.. It was a real pain to try to lift i remember that. I ended up getting surgery on it (they remove the joint) ended up with a pretty nasty scar, but I'm able to lift heavy again so I have no major complaints. As for the best cutting ph I'd have to agree with die faster is epi. Get some great vascularity from it and some nice lean gains. Best of luck!

 

[jwalifts]

Epi is a great recommendation for a ph to get you a nice recomp. Just be sure to have your support supps and post cycle products on hand bro.

 

[Guitarhead]

Dang man. glad to hear you can lift heavy again. Yea ac separation sucks. I really dont want surgery or physical therapy so im just layin low and cutting up and not overworking it.


So yall recommend Epi..? over beast and hella?

tryin to really add some lean size to the arms and cut up chest

-yes of course PCT in check and liver support supps on cycle.

 

[die faster]

if you run a beastdrol cycle, the strength gains and aggression youll get from it will probably give you a good chance of hurting your shoulder again. but from what i understand, epistane would be great for what you need.. i havent tried it yet, i plan to stack it with dieselbolan next month i dont think mr supps has it anymore, but i remember need2 saying in another thread that transform supplements epi is the same epi he had in epi-strong. its the same company as forged liver support. and orbit still has it i believe.

 

[CoBra666]

epi could be hard to find, sounds like almost all epi products have been discontinued recently from what ive read. i personally would go with beast to gain that lbm. beast is the bomb for strength and diet is really gonna determine your size. just make sure u run some krill oil or something to keep them joints good and lubed. i also have a bad shoulder from a downhill mountain bike race accident. been 2 years and its still causing problems. but them krill pills really make a huge difference!!

 

[reyz324]

epi could be hard to find, sounds like almost all epi products have been discontinued recently from what ive read. i personally would go with beast to gain that lbm. beast is the bomb for strength and diet is really gonna determine your size. just make sure u run some krill oil or something to keep them joints good and lubed. i also have a bad shoulder from a downhill mountain bike race accident. been 2 years and its still causing problems. but them krill pills really make a huge difference!!

orbit has some
Prohormones :: Transform Supplements : EPI 90 caps -

 

[Guitarhead]

alright yea ill check it out.. im leanin towards beast cause ive had good results with it before and no side effects except lethargy..but im perscribed vyvanse now and it keeps me jittery all day... so i might get a test booster or hcgenerate on cycle to. to assure no disfunction in the cawk . .i heard vyvanse and beast can b0th cause ED but never had the problem before.. but my girl craves sex all day.. so i can slip up on that ha

 

[CoBra666]

yeh i wasnt 100% i just remember reading something about it but it was wordy and stuff and the jist i got out of it was epi was being discontinued. could have been only certain supplement companies? or perhaps in process now, places could have all kinds of stock. regardless tho good if its out there and take joint supps

 

[Guitarhead]

so EPI will cut me up and add lean mass? should i run it 4 weeks or 6 weeks

 

[Guitarhead]

EPIVAR...looks really promising after reading reviews.. GOOD THINGS I READ-- can help clear up gyno and chest fat (need a little help with that)...added little mass and cut up nice....BAD--- some people had serious anger problems.....

so im leaning towards BEAST or EPIVAR....need opinions from some pro's ...what yall think

 

[Bradock]

yeh i wasnt 100% i just remember reading something about it but it was wordy and stuff and the jist i got out of it was epi was being discontinued. could have been only certain supplement companies? or perhaps in process now, places could have all kinds of stock. regardless tho good if its out there and take joint supps

ah you were thinking of epi-strong it is being or is banned I think so it isn't being made much if at all. but occasionally see a few bottles floatin around the forums here and at n2bm

 

[CoBra666]

ah you were thinking of epi-strong it is being or is banned I think so it isn't being made much if at all. but occasionally see a few bottles floatin around the forums here and at n2bm

well actually everything is being banned, including transdermals and possibly even some test boosters like phtoserms 347 and hcgenerate. and thats what i thought it was too, but a lil while ago i think it was orbit who was having a sale on all epi products because epi specifically was being halted on production even before the ban

 

[Guitarhead]

well just bought epivar...gonna run it ...get dried out see how it goes

 

[The Instrumentalist]

hcgenerate and phyto will not be banned. this has been quashed many times over.
epi isn't already banned, it's just some manufacturers are cutting their losses and ceasing to make the products that they know WILL be banned in the near future.

 

[CoBra666]

thanka for the clearup. i havent seen any threads on hcgen and phyto not gettin banned but whatevs, but its not like i read every single thing posted so yeah. good news is good news

 

[die faster]

let me know how the epivar goes. im thinking about buying a bottle since epistrong is gone.