Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey folks got a question. I have a friend whos around 8% bodyfat 5'10" 200 lbs. Trying to get to 4% and just maintain lean muscle mass, not get bigger. Other than winnie would other drug would help him achieve this. He is going to get even stricter on his diet and does intense cardio 3-4 times a week, weight trains 5 times a week so he is not lazy or sloppy. Would tren be good. Also he hates Ephedrine because of the way it makes him feels so no to clen and ECA. Any tips would be appreciated.
best drug to get from 8% to 4% Tren maybe?
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Tren would be good as would the winny. I would mention dnp, but that is me. If you are thinking about going in that direction, make sure you research the hell out of it.
Most people who say they are 8% and want to get to 4% don't have a clue where they are really at, nor where 4% really is. I tend to ignore for the most part the numbers and go for what they generally ask. In this case, to lose fat and retain muscle.
And in lieu of cardio, I would recommend hiit (high intensity interval training), it's more effective than plain cardio.
And in lieu of cardio, I would recommend hiit (high intensity interval training), it's more effective than plain cardio.
HGH man--Chargeback
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Masteron is what you need and high cardio
I'm with TxLonghorn and mentioning DNP (not for every one though) if you can stand the sides. I've used Tren, Winny and Gh, but lost the most fat with DNP for 7 day cycles.
I'm actually going for a 7 day DNP cycle at the end of this month hopefully achieving around 7% BF it is going to be tough though with this summer heat.
I'm actually going for a 7 day DNP cycle at the end of this month hopefully achieving around 7% BF it is going to be tough though with this summer heat.
crmdogg
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I AGREE MOST PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY ARE AT 8% REALLY ARE AT 12-13% AND HAVE NEVER BEEN TO 4%. IT IS VERY HARD TO GET TO 4% WITHOUT LOSING A GOOD DEAL OF MUSCLE. YOUR BODY JUST SEEMS TO CLING TO IT. IS HE DOING A SHOW, BECAUSE I SEE NO POINT IN GETTING THAT LOW OF BF IF NOT DOING A SHOW, IT IS PROBABLY UNHEALTHY
Fukkenshredded
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I have been below 5%. I'm skinny, so it's REAL unhealthy for me (skinny means less muscle, so at 4% there is almost NO fat anywhere).
I tend to stay around 7% though, year round. This means I do not gain much muscle at all...maybe 1-2 lbs per year, with cycles.
PEople here are right when they say 4% is almost mythical. When I was sub 5% I had EVERYTHING showing. All serratus, obliques, striations in the delts...you name it and it was there clear as a bell.
People ask if I am 5% now and I am probably 7 or 8...most people do not know bodyfat at all. My abs show clearly at 8%. These magazines reporting football players at 4% and lower is just pure bullshit.
Your leanest pros are probably 4% on the day of the show. They claim lower, but I doubt its true.
Anyway, I can tell you that when I am 5% I bruise from just touching things. I get sick easy. My face looks like a grinning skull. I'm angry and irritable and starving all the time.
The fact is that 6% looks about as good as 4% without the sick striations, and is a hell of a lot easier to hold.
I tend to stay around 7% though, year round. This means I do not gain much muscle at all...maybe 1-2 lbs per year, with cycles.
PEople here are right when they say 4% is almost mythical. When I was sub 5% I had EVERYTHING showing. All serratus, obliques, striations in the delts...you name it and it was there clear as a bell.
People ask if I am 5% now and I am probably 7 or 8...most people do not know bodyfat at all. My abs show clearly at 8%. These magazines reporting football players at 4% and lower is just pure bullshit.
Your leanest pros are probably 4% on the day of the show. They claim lower, but I doubt its true.
Anyway, I can tell you that when I am 5% I bruise from just touching things. I get sick easy. My face looks like a grinning skull. I'm angry and irritable and starving all the time.
The fact is that 6% looks about as good as 4% without the sick striations, and is a hell of a lot easier to hold.
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Kay for starters when I said cardio I meant like plyometrics. Example would be 30 seconds of jumping rope, then no rest going into 30 seconds of burpees(if you dont know what this is its intense as hell, you jump in the air land on hands and feet kick legs back into a push up then reverse and do again. Anyways he does shit like this. Yeah me myself I have never been 4%, but I am a trainer and do bodyfats daily. And yeah I know most of yall hate trainers and I dont blame you, but I follow poliquin and ian king and others if it makes you feel any better. Anyways getting back to it. He is shredded (starting to see striations in chest and can see every single freakin ab lower included. His problem is his legs look like shit. I mean his upper body has very little fat but when I did his legs I pinched more fat on his than mine and I am 14% maybe not as much but close to it. I carry most of mine in abs. Legs are pretty good on me. Anyways any suggestions on dropping bodyfat in lower region let me know. Peace.
Kay for starters when I said cardio I meant like plyometrics. Example would be 30 seconds of jumping rope, then no rest going into 30 seconds of burpees(if you dont know what this is its intense as hell, you jump in the air land on hands and feet kick legs back into a push up then reverse and do again. Anyways he does shit like this. Yeah me myself I have never been 4%, but I am a trainer and do bodyfats daily. And yeah I know most of yall hate trainers and I dont blame you, but I follow poliquin and ian king and others if it makes you feel any better. Anyways getting back to it. He is shredded (starting to see striations in chest and can see every single freakin ab lower included. His problem is his legs look like shit. I mean his upper body has very little fat but when I did his legs I pinched more fat on his than mine and I am 14% maybe not as much but close to it. I carry most of mine in abs. Legs are pretty good on me. Anyways any suggestions on dropping bodyfat in lower region let me know. Peace.
Paiddailey
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Even if he achieves this he won't be able to maintain it for long, if he is not doing a show or comp. he shouldn't bother it is a rough path to tread and for what if not glory or $
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Even if he achieves this he won't be able to maintain it for long, if he is not doing a show or comp. he shouldn't bother it is a rough path to tread and for what if not glory or $
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HULKSTER
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I would say anavar, tren and DNP would all definetly get the job done for the type of results you are looking for.
Willyumyum
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I'd have to agree with the DNP, it plain works... If you want to do it without DNP, then definitely Diet, Cardio, and the right training program FOR YOU are KEY... Gear would be in there simply for muscle retention, obviously - var, tren, or even test would all be good choices IMO (water retention is a possibility with test, but it would go away a little after you got off), and GH would definitely help, biker is right on with that...
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HULKSTER
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I am currently running 50mg ed of var, and I have seen extreme strength gains, noticable quality gains with absolutely no bloat or other side effects at all. People bitch about the price, but when you think of how much money you save on anti-e's and Accutane by not having your face blow up like one, big watery zit, you will see that you are not saving that much money by using dbol instead of var.
Will B.Huge
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Why would you want to be 4% is my question, when yoiu are between 6 and 8 you look better in my opinion, because you are still shredded and alot more full than you would be at 4.
