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Testosterone boy
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I doubt it......but when they catch a figurehead they squeeze all they can out of it.
Frankly.....I suspect a very large percentage juice it up. If one does, the rest almost have to in order to compete.
I don'y know of a good solution either. Steroids do work very well.
In the absence of steroids, it is more a contest of genetics all other things being equal. I would prefer that to it being a pharmaceutical contest however.
Frankly.....I suspect a very large percentage juice it up. If one does, the rest almost have to in order to compete.
I don'y know of a good solution either. Steroids do work very well.
In the absence of steroids, it is more a contest of genetics all other things being equal. I would prefer that to it being a pharmaceutical contest however.
SoKlueles said:
Are you serious ?
At the 1988 Olympic Games in Seoul, Ben Johnson ran the 100 meters in an astonishing 9.79 seconds, beating Carl Lewis
Soon after he was banned because Winstrol was found in his urine, though everybody in Seoul was using drugs
It was the first juice scandal
canadianhitman
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Carl Lewis was just as dirty...he had many a positive test covered up over the years.
canadianhitman
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They couldn't have him beating the American hero for a gold medal, could they? I wouldn't be surprised if the USOC slipped Dr. Jamie Astaphan some cash to switch out the (then) undetectable Furazabol for Stanozolol. At the Dubin Inquiry, it was proved that Canadian sprinters were duped in this manner (Angela Issajenko brough in a vial given to her {and all the others} by Astaphan, and it was tested). I can't believe it was accidental.
It is worth putting his achievement in context. Between 1968 and 1983 the 100m record was shaved by 400ths of a second. In one year Johnson took 1600ths off the record.
I think Flo-Jo juiced also. Before the summer of 1988, Griffith Joyner's fastest time at 100 meters, 10.96, did not rank among the top 40 marks of all time. Her previous personal best at 200 meters, 21.96, was not in the all-time top 20.
But within a span of 10 weeks, Griffith Joyner eclipsed both the 100- and 200-meter records, shattering Evelyn Ashford's 100-meter mark of 10.76 by an astonishing 27/100ths of a second. Her gold-medal 200-meter time of 21.34 was 37/100ths of a second lower than the previous world record.
I think Flo-Jo juiced also. Before the summer of 1988, Griffith Joyner's fastest time at 100 meters, 10.96, did not rank among the top 40 marks of all time. Her previous personal best at 200 meters, 21.96, was not in the all-time top 20.
But within a span of 10 weeks, Griffith Joyner eclipsed both the 100- and 200-meter records, shattering Evelyn Ashford's 100-meter mark of 10.76 by an astonishing 27/100ths of a second. Her gold-medal 200-meter time of 21.34 was 37/100ths of a second lower than the previous world record.
theoak01
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what pisses me off in the situation is the east germans giving young girls who havent even had a period testosterone,yet all of them kept there records and medals while Ben lost his
that special on ben johnson was good,its on again wed at 9 on discovery for anyone who missed it
that special on ben johnson was good,its on again wed at 9 on discovery for anyone who missed it
Razorguns
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everyone KNOWS how corrupt the olympic committee is. There was a good book out once about how the US (and other countries) regularly throw all KINDS of goodies, treatment, hookers, blow, fancy cars, etc. to olympic committee big-wigs when they travel to "entice" them to declare the next olympics in their country. It's sickening all the perks they get. The IOC has *no* federal laws to abide by, so they can pretty much do whatever they want. Including "looking the other way" on certain athletes steroid usage, cuz they come from the country that's handing all the money. Canada was obviously low on the wallet list, so they threw the book at their guy.
its bullshit, he;s taken all the flak for all the offenders...
worse still is how grace jones dumped her hubby shotputter when he was embroiled n the scandal but is now facing charges herself
its sad but they all take drugs....ultimately you either have a free for all with drugs (which means to win you have to sacrifice your health) or you do no drugs, and have a zero-tolerance policy on those that do
while I dont like it sometimes, I believe the latter is best...i just wish everyone receievd the same treatment
worse still is how grace jones dumped her hubby shotputter when he was embroiled n the scandal but is now facing charges herself
its sad but they all take drugs....ultimately you either have a free for all with drugs (which means to win you have to sacrifice your health) or you do no drugs, and have a zero-tolerance policy on those that do
while I dont like it sometimes, I believe the latter is best...i just wish everyone receievd the same treatment
Tweakle
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He was a dirty cheat and should have done time.
it's all about maintaining the farce that the olympics are about 'fair play', because the organizers believe that's important to the joe 6-packs & soccer moms that watch the games.... and buy the sponsers products. It's more fucked up that MCD's and Coke are sponsering athletic events but there you go.
athletes have been cheating since the first ever olympic games.
it's all about maintaining the farce that the olympics are about 'fair play', because the organizers believe that's important to the joe 6-packs & soccer moms that watch the games.... and buy the sponsers products. It's more fucked up that MCD's and Coke are sponsering athletic events but there you go.
athletes have been cheating since the first ever olympic games.
Longhorn85
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Roids or no roids, that was the best executed 100 I've ever seen. He revolutionized the start by coming up high out of the blocks. I watched that race in absolute awe, I'll never forget it, or the look on the face of Carl Lewis' family in the audience whom they showed on TV to see how they would celebrate his expected victory.
To answer your question, yes, he should have lost the medal, but I thought Canada turned on him pretty hard considering most folks knew he was juiced up.
To answer your question, yes, he should have lost the medal, but I thought Canada turned on him pretty hard considering most folks knew he was juiced up.
Razorguns
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roids or no roids -- no human has EVER run that fast in recorded history.
I bet you 10 bucks even with steroids Carl could never run that time. That's like saying Ronnie Coleman could easily run 9.50 cuz he takes so many steroids. In relaity, steroids probably inhibits your ability to run fast, with all that muscle on your body. Hard to run 9.7 when you're 280.
I bet you 10 bucks even with steroids Carl could never run that time. That's like saying Ronnie Coleman could easily run 9.50 cuz he takes so many steroids. In relaity, steroids probably inhibits your ability to run fast, with all that muscle on your body. Hard to run 9.7 when you're 280.
Longhorn85
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I never saw where it was proven that Lewis used roids.
Once Johnson came off the juice he came back to compete and didn't do very well at all.
Once Johnson came off the juice he came back to compete and didn't do very well at all.
I still remember watching that event live. That was one of the most impressive athletic performances I've ever seen. I still remember the freaked out facial expression on Carl Lewis. He couldn't believe how bad he had been beat. It wasn't even close. He blew the entire feild away.
milo hobgoblin
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HAHAHAH FLO!!!
Bro all the pharm techs in TJ knew her!! HAHAH she was a MAD juicer. One of my friends took her picture down there and they all knew who she was by name... and t wasnt because she was an Olympain..
I think she won a VIP Customer award at every god damn Pharmacy in TJ
Ben Johnson got fucked.
Carl Lewis is a fCUKCING weasle with his anti steroid propaganda.. he knws Ben beat him on equal footing and now he will NEVER get the chance to prove otherwaise.
Bro all the pharm techs in TJ knew her!! HAHAH she was a MAD juicer. One of my friends took her picture down there and they all knew who she was by name... and t wasnt because she was an Olympain..
I think she won a VIP Customer award at every god damn Pharmacy in TJ
Ben Johnson got fucked.
Carl Lewis is a fCUKCING weasle with his anti steroid propaganda.. he knws Ben beat him on equal footing and now he will NEVER get the chance to prove otherwaise.
Anthrax said:
I felt bad for him as they all cheated!! And he was a scapegoat for the whole track world that year!
BEST sprinter of all time so far.
Would blow anyone away!! That includes all the US boys now.
He slowed at the line when he raised his hand and still ran 9.79! They broke it down and at his speed he could have ran way faster but was smart as there is more money when you break records. His coach figured he could have gotten to low 9.7's!
If you wanna good read, get "Speed Trap" by his coach Charlie Francis. Great book and he talks about how amazing an ahtele this guy was.
When I saw him in that starting blocks in 88, I coulnd't beleive his Delts, I wanted to look like that.
bluepeter
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Every single man in that 100 metre final in '88 was juiced and Ben absolutely blew them away. He could have run even faster but eased up in the last 10 metres and raised his hand in victory. The single most awesome track and field feat I've ever seen. I don't give a shit if he was juiced, all that did was put everyone on equal footing.
Ben had the misfortune of being Canadian and got hammered for it. A damn shame. If he was the star of the US track team, never would have happened.
Ben had the misfortune of being Canadian and got hammered for it. A damn shame. If he was the star of the US track team, never would have happened.
milo hobgoblin
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Yup he got screwed because he was a Canadian
BigDawg is right "Speed Trap" was an awesome book.
Pick it up if you all get the chance.
BigDawg is right "Speed Trap" was an awesome book.
Pick it up if you all get the chance.
The difference for me is I think drugs "made" Ben more than they made Carl Lewis. If you look at Ben's 100-meter times from 4-5 years prior to the '88 Oly's he was running high 10's, which isn't even remotely world class. I ran track at a D-II school in '83-84 and we had walk-ons running 10.6-7. Hell, Herschel Walker ran a 10.3 at 221 lbs while he was at Georgia. The women's WR was 10.76 until FloJo busted a juiced up 10.49 so poor Ben would've been lucky to beat the chicks before '88. Carl ran a 10.6 in high school and was truly world-class from '80 thru '96. I met him at the NCAA's when they were at Duke. He is a bit full of himself but there is no doubt whatsoever he IS the greatest sprinter (muhammed ali voice) of all times.
Dial_tone said:
Read speed trap and you will find out how great of an athelete he was before he started the drugs. His lifts were already amazing clean and his speeds were getting better for a kid that started so late.
As for the drugs I think he just used them better then everyone else and after reading Speed Trap you will see how Charlie was ahead of his time with training was one if not the best sprint coach around we have ever seen.
milo hobgoblin
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Ya many of CF's training techniques are directly applicable to Bodybuilding. In many ways Short distance sprinters traiun very much like us.. only MUCH more hardcore.
Robert Jan
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Were AAS truely removed from athletics then the 100 m record would stand for eternity and probably nobody would ever run anything near it again.
Longhorn85
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Anthrax said:... and at that time 99.99% of the people thought Carl Lewis had no serious competitors
You're wrong here. Ben and Carl had been competing closely all summer. Didn't Ben win at the Worlds in Rome that year?
The_Eviscerator
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The only way to a have a true fair playing field is for everyone to juice. People want bigger and faster athletes, but they want to hide from the reality of what it takes for this to happen. If no NFL players used steroids, we would be seeing 250-270 lb lineman and 190 pound running backs. Everyone would be bitching and moaning about the good old days when 350 pound linemen roamed the field.
Ben Johnson kicked ass. Imho he was the fastest man ever. Drugs or no Drugs. His only mistake was getting caught.
Ben Johnson kicked ass. Imho he was the fastest man ever. Drugs or no Drugs. His only mistake was getting caught.
Longhorn85
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Now you want to relish in a Canadian sprinter kicking an American's butt? Donovan Bailey over Michael Johnson in Toronto at 300 meters. That was an ass whoopin'!
with a straight and a curve to make it fair for both.
The_Eviscerator
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Dial_tone said:
What time did he run it in?
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