beginners question: first deadlift, then squat?

[Niemand]

first deadlift, then squat?

Hello all!

Is there any reason why I shouldn't do the deadlift before the squat. My friend tolds me I am stupid even to think about it, but I would like to have an explanation.

How are you boys and girls doing if you do both in the same session (both has to be done in the same session, it is no solution to split it)?

I am looking forward for your answers!

Bye

 

[DZLS]

personally i think it's stupid to consider doing both on the same day...

either one is completely body taxing and should be done on separate training days... no matter which one you do first, the 2nd one is going to suffer cause you won't have the energy to go "all out"...

this is just my opinion though... after a squat routine, i have trouble walking, much less thinking about doing some fucking deads... and vice versa...

 

[BiggT]

It depends on your routine. By all means they can be done on the same day. I would squat first becaue after deadlifts the lower back and posterior chain is pretty fatiqued to squat, but most guys can still pull hard after squatting. If you want a scientific explanation, I could probably look one up, but from practical experience, squatting and then doing deadlifts is fine, where deads first really ruin the squat.

If you use full body workouts, or a split with squats/deads and presses/upper, or an upper/lower split, this works nicely......If you're stuck on a body part split, I'd say break them up.

 

[musclemom]

Re: first deadlift, then squat?

Hello all!

Is there any reason why I shouldn't do the deadlift before the squat. My friend tolds me I am stupid even to think about it, but I would like to have an explanation.

How are you boys and girls doing if you do both in the same session (both has to be done in the same session, it is no solution to split it)?

I am looking forward for your answers!

Bye

I'm going to throw in with the "do one or the other but not both the same day" camp. I can't imagine being able to function the next day. Either is a taxing exercise, ideally done to your upper limits of endurance. How can you really have anything left to give to the other? I won't even do cardio on deadlift days.

I guess if you want to work lighter you could do it; IMO I would do squats first, if your body fails you I'd rather have the weight in front of me than on top of me.

 

[super_rice]

i snatch, clean and jerk, front squat, and deadlift on two of four training days per week. both fs and dls are heavy and high volume. it's just a matter of getting work volume up to it. i would deadlift after squats, for sure - heavy deadlifts will fatigue you the most, so you will loose technique doing squats and so.

 

[BiggT]

i snatch, clean and jerk, front squat, and deadlift on two of four training days per week. both fs and dls are heavy and high volume. it's just a matter of getting work volume up to it. i would deadlift after squats, for sure - heavy deadlifts will fatigue you the most, so you will loose technique doing squats and so.

I agree it is a conditioning thing.

I have done heavy snatches, then heavy cleans, then heavy squats and heavy deads, then did inclines all in one workout before. It is conditioning and program design and fatique/workload management.

I just don't want anyone getting 'trapped' in the bodybuilding mindset that it is necessarily too strenuous to do them both on the same day, because it isn't. It can be mismanaged, and it can be silly do squat and dead one day, then the rest of your week is a lat pulldown and hammer strength fest, but it is more than doable. Again, squat first.

 

[Illuminati]

personally i think it's stupid to consider doing both on the same day...

either one is completely body taxing and should be done on separate training days... no matter which one you do first, the 2nd one is going to suffer cause you won't have the energy to go "all out"...

this is just my opinion though... after a squat routine, i have trouble walking, much less thinking about doing some fucking deads... and vice versa...

Westside Barbell has built some of the strongest lifters in the world when it comes to the squat, and deadlift. A staple of their workouts is (on dynamic effort days) to do box squats, and then speed deads.

 

[nelmsjer]

I'll just reiterate and add another vote: it's all about the conditioning, and squat first.

 

[silver_shadow]

yep my "vote" is like nelmsjer says.

 

[iceprincess]

I would never give both heavy deads and heavy squats to a beginner, but I would help them work up to it by using moderate squats followed by heavy deads. Again, as it has already been said, it is all about conditioning.

 

[blut wump]

Echo on the conditioning and squat first.

If you have just the one dedicated leg/back day and everything else is foo-foo day then you're probably in trouble. They can be done together, though, you just have to work within your capacity while striving to improve it.

 

[Illuminati]

Musclemom....

to answer your karma question....

Speed Deads....generally one would take a weight that is 50% of your 1RM, and pull the weight as if is your max weight. your main focus is to pull the bar with as much speed as possible. WSBers typically will start with the 50%, and then add weight, as long as they are maintaining their speed

 

[AEKDB]

Heavy deads and squats on the same day has its place depending on your goals. If you are training for sports or competition you do not have the luxury of saying: "No, I'm not going to play the rest of the game. My quads are taxed and I may depend to much on my hamstrings during the rest of the game." or "This is squat day. Can I come back Friday and post my DL numbers?"

Do Squats first. It is easy to drop a heavy dead w/o injury. It is different when you passout in the squatrack.

 

[MsBeverlyHills]

personally- I prefer GMs to deadlifts if Im doing squats on the same day... squat first.

 

[NorgePrecision]

I couldn't fathom doing dl's and squats on the same day. It gives me chills just thinking about it. After 5x5 squat, I want nothing more than a shower, food, and a nap.

 

[blut wump]

personally- I prefer GMs to deadlifts if Im doing squats on the same day... squat first.

I like front-squats followed by GMs.

 

[silver_shadow]

I like front-squats followed by GMs.

sometimes on a good day, even back-squats followed by GMs can be nice too.