Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I'm finding hard to stay motivated because I'm not hitting the goals I planned on. My diet is good, drinking lots of H2O, getting plenty of rest, and hitting the gym up like a psycho. Starting to think the gear is bunk. Moving into the fifth week and have only seen a 4 lbs gain. I know everyone becomes active at different times but fifth week seems late. Not sure if I should continue with gear. I don't want bunk shit in my body. Any words for me?
becoming discouraged
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Stillgoing
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Yeah, whatcha taken? Cyp, enth, deca, EQ don't kick in for a month, then weeks 4-8 should be improvements each week, but, its not majic.....
Simply Swole
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# 1 - Could be overtraining
# 2 - at least 400gms. protein?
# 3 - could be bunk gear.
# 4 - you could have the worst genetics on the planet
# 2 - at least 400gms. protein?
# 3 - could be bunk gear.
# 4 - you could have the worst genetics on the planet
Yes, what are you taking? Where are you at today and where do you want to go?
Are you 110% sure you don't have crap gear? That would be my first inclination if you are doing everything else correct.
Are you using long enough needles and driving them to all the way to the skin?
Basically, the board will try to help, but everyone needs more info.
Are you 110% sure you don't have crap gear? That would be my first inclination if you are doing everything else correct.
Are you using long enough needles and driving them to all the way to the skin?
Basically, the board will try to help, but everyone needs more info.
SuKY_GeNeTiCs
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Diet is good????
Yeah double check that maybe the gear is bunk but if you are not gaining weight you should adjust your calories immediately!
Yeah double check that maybe the gear is bunk but if you are not gaining weight you should adjust your calories immediately!
My stats 6' 1 rightnow I'm 185 and 23 yr old. I've been training for about five years but it wasn't until about two years ago when I met some great guys that I started training hard. My workouts now are 6-8 reps of hev. weight. I broke it down to four days
Day1 chest and biceps
Day 2 Back and tri's
Day 3 legs- squats, leg press, extensions, curls, raises
Day 4 Shoulders adn traps
day 5 off
my diet is eat everything in site! Lots of chicken, beef, fish. I take in about 200g of protein a day including shakes. 1 gall of H2o a day. The gear should be good I did a lot of checking before hand but you never know. 200mg of deca and sost 250 1ml of each per week except 2ml of each in middle of cyc. Pins are 23g 1in have been getting hard lumps another reason questioning gear My goal is to hit 200.
Thanks for your help
Day1 chest and biceps
Day 2 Back and tri's
Day 3 legs- squats, leg press, extensions, curls, raises
Day 4 Shoulders adn traps
day 5 off
my diet is eat everything in site! Lots of chicken, beef, fish. I take in about 200g of protein a day including shakes. 1 gall of H2o a day. The gear should be good I did a lot of checking before hand but you never know. 200mg of deca and sost 250 1ml of each per week except 2ml of each in middle of cyc. Pins are 23g 1in have been getting hard lumps another reason questioning gear My goal is to hit 200.
Thanks for your help
I think I see something
but don't know for sure. You are taking sus and deca. I know deca relies on heavy protein intake to do anything. Sus doesn't. Either up your carbs alot or up your protein(to get the most from that bitch deca). I find upping carbs works best for me. Everybody is different. When looking to gain mass I might take in 600 grams of carbs and 200 grams of protein. When maintaining 150 grams of protein and around 400 grams of carbs. Most people find when they have trouble gaining, its the carbs. Carbs will spare that protein for straight muscle building. It only takes a 100 grams of protein to make 1lb of muscle.
Another thing, your looking to bulk, fuck it, don't worry about getting fat, if you find yourself getting fat clean up your diet, but most weight gained on anabolics if you are training hard is muscle.
To get really massive you have to lose the six pack for a minute. Than cut for a few weeks and you are twice as hugs and got your six pack. The problem with most people is they dont want to get fat.
but don't know for sure. You are taking sus and deca. I know deca relies on heavy protein intake to do anything. Sus doesn't. Either up your carbs alot or up your protein(to get the most from that bitch deca). I find upping carbs works best for me. Everybody is different. When looking to gain mass I might take in 600 grams of carbs and 200 grams of protein. When maintaining 150 grams of protein and around 400 grams of carbs. Most people find when they have trouble gaining, its the carbs. Carbs will spare that protein for straight muscle building. It only takes a 100 grams of protein to make 1lb of muscle.
Another thing, your looking to bulk, fuck it, don't worry about getting fat, if you find yourself getting fat clean up your diet, but most weight gained on anabolics if you are training hard is muscle.
To get really massive you have to lose the six pack for a minute. Than cut for a few weeks and you are twice as hugs and got your six pack. The problem with most people is they dont want to get fat.
Hustler_dt
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you should try using:
chest + tri's
back + bi's
those muscle groups are worked together. you might overtrain them or have other problems with your workout if you use your tri's during your chest workout and then come back and work them out again the next day.
IMO
chest + tri's
back + bi's
those muscle groups are worked together. you might overtrain them or have other problems with your workout if you use your tri's during your chest workout and then come back and work them out again the next day.
IMO
xonic2xonic
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How's your strength?
What brand is your gear?
Does the sust injection hurt?
IMHO the training and food that ppl are talking about makes only the difference of gains vs great gains. Again IMHO even if your diet is not spot on and your training not intense enough, on gear one should still notice SOME difference in physique and strength.
Sometimes these differences are subtle to begin with, so I would say probably keep going (if we help you determine your gear is legit) and something will happen.
What brand is your gear?
Does the sust injection hurt?
IMHO the training and food that ppl are talking about makes only the difference of gains vs great gains. Again IMHO even if your diet is not spot on and your training not intense enough, on gear one should still notice SOME difference in physique and strength.
Sometimes these differences are subtle to begin with, so I would say probably keep going (if we help you determine your gear is legit) and something will happen.
Both drugs you're using take while to have a noticable effect in the gym. 5th week and later is not that unusual.
Having said that your body goes through ups and downs. Anyone that has trained for a long time will tell you peaks and valleys, peaks and valleys. And you usually spend more time in valleys then peaks.
Now I just went through a similar experience. 500mgs of Sustenon/week and 400 EQ. I know the gear was good. I got nothing.
I have no science to back this up but I believe I was in a valley and no amount of steroids were going to bring me out of it. Sometimes the planets just aren't aligned for you.
Take a nice long break from drugs and train naturally. Next time will be better. I promise.
Having said that your body goes through ups and downs. Anyone that has trained for a long time will tell you peaks and valleys, peaks and valleys. And you usually spend more time in valleys then peaks.
Now I just went through a similar experience. 500mgs of Sustenon/week and 400 EQ. I know the gear was good. I got nothing.
I have no science to back this up but I believe I was in a valley and no amount of steroids were going to bring me out of it. Sometimes the planets just aren't aligned for you.
Take a nice long break from drugs and train naturally. Next time will be better. I promise.
So 4 days on 1 off. No wonder you're not gaining any weight. Judging from your height and current weight you are along the lines of an ectomorph.(small frame, fast metabolism, doesn't put on muscle easily) You might actually still be mesomorphic but because of your training you're not gaining as well. To really pack on the weight I recommend you train each bodypart just one day a week. Train 3 maybe four at the most days a week. Basics as well.
You train chest and biceps then back and triceps?? Bad idea. Reason is you train biceps the day before. Back is your larger muscle group but also involves the biceps to a great degree in the pulling movements. You will not be able to sufficiently hit your back 100% with this split. Second you train all those days in a row then hit legs practically on the last day. Remember bro just because you train a different muscle group does not mean that your whole bodies nervous system is rested. Legs are your largest muscle group. I recommend you have the day off before leg day. Lastly you do shoulders on the last day. Then work chest 2 days later. Here again the chest will not get adequate stimulation since the shoulders will still be fatigued thus lessening the use of more basic compound movements. That is unless you do alot of isolation exercises. I know some of you more serious hardcore trainers and genetically gifeted individuals who also take alot of juice can handle a workload like this but for your average juicer I wouldn't recommend it. People are too obsessed with the gym to try and get big. Remember, you don't grow when you work out you grow when you rest and have proper food coursing through those veins to allow the body to recuperate. If you're really trying to pack on the mass bro. Try and push, pull, then leg day system.
Example:
Monday - Back, Biceps, Forearms
Wednesday - Legs
Friday - Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
Or try:
Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Thursday - Shoulders, Arms
Friday - Legs
These are just a few examples. Abs get worked in no more than 2 times a week hard.
Remember bro you have to find out what works best for you as well and the split I listed may or may not work for you. It sure as hell though gives you enough time to recuperate and grow though.
Oh yeah and I would try to bump up the protein to at least 250 about.
You train chest and biceps then back and triceps?? Bad idea. Reason is you train biceps the day before. Back is your larger muscle group but also involves the biceps to a great degree in the pulling movements. You will not be able to sufficiently hit your back 100% with this split. Second you train all those days in a row then hit legs practically on the last day. Remember bro just because you train a different muscle group does not mean that your whole bodies nervous system is rested. Legs are your largest muscle group. I recommend you have the day off before leg day. Lastly you do shoulders on the last day. Then work chest 2 days later. Here again the chest will not get adequate stimulation since the shoulders will still be fatigued thus lessening the use of more basic compound movements. That is unless you do alot of isolation exercises. I know some of you more serious hardcore trainers and genetically gifeted individuals who also take alot of juice can handle a workload like this but for your average juicer I wouldn't recommend it. People are too obsessed with the gym to try and get big. Remember, you don't grow when you work out you grow when you rest and have proper food coursing through those veins to allow the body to recuperate. If you're really trying to pack on the mass bro. Try and push, pull, then leg day system.
Example:
Monday - Back, Biceps, Forearms
Wednesday - Legs
Friday - Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
Or try:
Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Thursday - Shoulders, Arms
Friday - Legs
These are just a few examples. Abs get worked in no more than 2 times a week hard.
Remember bro you have to find out what works best for you as well and the split I listed may or may not work for you. It sure as hell though gives you enough time to recuperate and grow though.
Oh yeah and I would try to bump up the protein to at least 250 about.
Alot of people think that if one uses juice you suddenly gain alot of weight and look massive after a short time, but for most of us, it took many cycles over many years to make quality gains. 4 lbs in 4 weeks is not that bad compared 4lbs in 8 months naturally.Dont compare your progress to dumb ass newbies that take over 1000mgs pwk. Their abuse/misuse will get us all fucked with tighter controls.
The reason I had set up the training the way I did was because I am happy with the progress my bi's have made but my tri's are under developed so I'm trying to isolate them to get them bigger. I probabaly should hit the gym up less cause I over train but when I'm not in the gym I feel like I'm wasting time. I'll try swiching up my program. The brand is Brovel and Organon. I understand that Brovel is over rated and dosen't always produce the gains it should but I thought I would be further along by now. Yes the test hurt like hell for about 3 days infact so bad I had hard time walking. Thought it was infected for a min. but it's cool
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