Bad/Slow AAS Responders??

[barbellbob]

Ok iv seen people get flamed for asking this in the past but.. in comparison to friends of mine and many other people I simply do not respond to aas like the average guy. Iv had gyno flare up on cycle but learned how to prevent that (low test high tren etc) without the use of heavy AI's so gear had been 100% legit. Training is fine I progressively overload and switch things up fairly often, diet is ok. Nothing spectacular, but bulking I hit 4500-5000 kcals a day (5000 on training days due to weight gain shake pwo) I hit 300g + of protein per day and make the rest of the kcals up in healthy fats and a mixture of carbs. Weight doesn't pile on for me.even at such high calories (my metabolism is ridiculous) but back to the point.. when on cycle there is no real noticeable increase in the speed i grow. My gains are still pretty steady. Strength increase is noticed in the first few weeks but not much happens after this. Even with amadrol, Dbol, Nandrolone etc I dont even experience the big "bloat" i dont pile water weight on using these. At most maybe a pound or 2. Yet iv seen others blow right up using exactly the same gear with a pretty shit diet! My bp increases slightly on cycle so i get some side effects. Tren makes me a little less patient than usual but no sweats etc, slight insomnia in the first few weeks maybe but no real leaning out or great increase in vascularity. Im not saying i dont respond at all its not the kind of results that justify the risks of using aas? Im starting to wonder if its worth giving steroids up as a bad joke and continue to train natty. And pleaseeee don't dive in with the usual shite saying its my diet or my training (yawwwwnnn) I have friends that are successful bodybuilders (juniors etc) and even sticking to their particular training and diet plan my results are less than average for a guy on cycle. Anybody else experience this kind of thing? If so did you find amy compounds that actually work well for you? Ph cycles maybe, certain types of aas?

 

[barbellbob]

Yeah thats what i was thinking to be honest, maybe..

Oh wait.. thats right, nobody replied!

BUMP!!

 

[dylangemelli]

bro, the problem is your attitude... you would have far more replies if you didn't come across so arrogant about what you don't want to hear etc... YOU came here for advice yet your telling everyone what you don't want to hear... would you be quick to help someone with that attitude? put yourself in everyone else's shoes... you know how many guys come here with great attitudes, looking for help and they get everything they want plus more... bro, i help EVERYONE and im even apprehensive because i don't deal with that kind of attitude either... i would love to help but i don't need to offer free advice to someone that does not appreciate it...

 

[barbellbob]

I think your possibly taking it the wrong way.. it certainly wasn't intended to come across as arrogant im just not looking for diet or training advice, i was more curious as to whether there was other people with similar results to mine. Iv spent years researching diet and training and following things to a T didn't exaggerate my results from aas. Thanks for the reply bro

 

[umerskyx]

I think your possibly taking it the wrong way.. it certainly wasn't intended to come across as arrogant im just not looking for diet or training advice, i was more curious as to whether there was other people with similar results to mine. Iv spent years researching diet and training and following things to a T didn't exaggerate my results from aas. Thanks for the reply bro

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[barbellbob]

Errrr thats great and all bro sounds like yout doing well. But doesn't really answer any questions lol

 

[RickRock13]

There are a lot of factors to consider here. Yes, people have different levels of response to androgens, so its possible you don't get as much out of the same cycle that someone else is running. However, there is also other pieces to the puzzle. Of course diet and training are paramount, but there are other things like the legitamacy of the gear, how long you had between cycles, body type, stats etc. Instead of comparing your cycles to others, its best to just concentrate on you, and do the best that you can. It makes no sense to stir over things you have no control over, so worry about the things you do

 

[25homes]

Everyone is totally different bro have to find what's best for you lots of good advice here

 

[barbellbob]

There are a lot of factors to consider here. Yes, people have different levels of response to androgens, so its possible you don't get as much out of the same cycle that someone else is running. However, there is also other pieces to the puzzle. Of course diet and training are paramount, but there are other things like the legitamacy of the gear, how long you had between cycles, body type, stats etc. Instead of comparing your cycles to others, its best to just concentrate on you, and do the best that you can. It makes no sense to stir over things you have no control over, so worry about the things you do

Good point.. all though its hard not to go over these things (its pretty frustrating to be held back) suppose i was just curious how common this is. And if anyone had with a similar problem had found something that worked better for them, Iv never tried ph cycles, are they worth trying?

 

[barbellbob]

Everyone is totally different bro have to find what's best for you lots of good advice here

Very true bro all though ill keep going through different compunds etc before completely giving up. There's still hope yet lol

 

[stevesmi]

genetics are important in this game bro but also knowing how to train and diet is too

most guys in the gym who don't even look like they lift have/or are taking steroids

 

[RickRock13]

Good point.. all though its hard not to go over these things (its pretty frustrating to be held back) suppose i was just curious how common this is. And if anyone had with a similar problem had found something that worked better for them, Iv never tried ph cycles, are they worth trying?

Yes, PHs can be very effective if you have everything in order and pick the right compounds for your goal. There is an entire lineup at The #1 Supplier of Pro-Hormones - MyProH.com that will suit any goal, and each product is actually a stack of multiple compounds to give you the best possible result. They are the best on the market right now of their kind

 

[barbellbob]

genetics are important in this game bro but also knowing how to train and diet is too

most guys in the gym who don't even look like they lift have/or are taking steroids

Yeah my genetics are certainly against me, by nature I was a very slim build and have a very fast metabolism. And I hear you on that one, the amount of familiar faces I see at the gym from the last few years that dont appear to have made any progress is unreal. Some of them I can see where they go wrong just watching them (lifted the same weight for the same sets the last 2 years) others train well but their diet or sleep pattern etc is probably the cause. Im a very hard gainer and not even close to my goals but im quite proud of what little I managed to achieve. Gone from 160lb with weedy 12" arms to my current 205lbs with 16.7" arms im only 5ft 10 so its not too bad.. I dont look ill anymore haha. I make good progress in my lifts on cycle, I can normally add 2.5kg to compound lifts each week until it totals a 10-20kg increase then it slows again, but the size doesn't pile on with the strength... weird

Yes, PHs can be very effective if you have everything in order and pick the right compounds for your goal. There is an entire lineup at The #1 Supplier of Pro-Hormones - MyProH.com that will suit any goal, and each product is actually a stack of multiple compounds to give you the best possible result. They are the best on the market right now of their kind

Thanks for the link bro I'll take a look

 

[hurricane]

Ok iv seen people get flamed for asking this in the past but.. in comparison to friends of mine and many other people I simply do not respond to aas like the average guy. Iv had gyno flare up on cycle but learned how to prevent that (low test high tren etc) without the use of heavy AI's so gear had been 100% legit. Training is fine I progressively overload and switch things up fairly often, diet is ok. Nothing spectacular, but bulking I hit 4500-5000 kcals a day (5000 on training days due to weight gain shake pwo) I hit 300g + of protein per day and make the rest of the kcals up in healthy fats and a mixture of carbs. Weight doesn't pile on for me.even at such high calories (my metabolism is ridiculous) but back to the point.. when on cycle there is no real noticeable increase in the speed i grow. My gains are still pretty steady. Strength increase is noticed in the first few weeks but not much happens after this. Even with amadrol, Dbol, Nandrolone etc I dont even experience the big "bloat" i dont pile water weight on using these. At most maybe a pound or 2. Yet iv seen others blow right up using exactly the same gear with a pretty shit diet! My bp increases slightly on cycle so i get some side effects. Tren makes me a little less patient than usual but no sweats etc, slight insomnia in the first few weeks maybe but no real leaning out or great increase in vascularity. Im not saying i dont respond at all its not the kind of results that justify the risks of using aas? Im starting to wonder if its worth giving steroids up as a bad joke and continue to train natty. And pleaseeee don't dive in with the usual shite saying its my diet or my training (yawwwwnnn) I have friends that are successful bodybuilders (juniors etc) and even sticking to their particular training and diet plan my results are less than average for a guy on cycle. Anybody else experience this kind of thing? If so did you find amy compounds that actually work well for you? Ph cycles maybe, certain types of aas?

problem with this is the way it is all jumbled togther and grammer.Nobody will take time to read that bro

 

[barbellbob]

problem with this is the way it is all jumbled togther and grammer.Nobody will take time to read that bro

Haha fair point bro, it was sort of just thrown together

 

[dylangemelli]

Ok iv seen people get flamed for asking this in the past but.. in comparison to friends of mine and many other people I simply do not respond to aas like the average guy. Iv had gyno flare up on cycle but learned how to prevent that (low test high tren etc) without the use of heavy AI's so gear had been 100% legit. Training is fine I progressively overload and switch things up fairly often, diet is ok. Nothing spectacular, but bulking I hit 4500-5000 kcals a day (5000 on training days due to weight gain shake pwo) I hit 300g + of protein per day and make the rest of the kcals up in healthy fats and a mixture of carbs. Weight doesn't pile on for me.even at such high calories (my metabolism is ridiculous) but back to the point.. when on cycle there is no real noticeable increase in the speed i grow. My gains are still pretty steady. Strength increase is noticed in the first few weeks but not much happens after this. Even with amadrol, Dbol, Nandrolone etc I dont even experience the big "bloat" i dont pile water weight on using these. At most maybe a pound or 2. Yet iv seen others blow right up using exactly the same gear with a pretty shit diet! My bp increases slightly on cycle so i get some side effects. Tren makes me a little less patient than usual but no sweats etc, slight insomnia in the first few weeks maybe but no real leaning out or great increase in vascularity. Im not saying i dont respond at all its not the kind of results that justify the risks of using aas? Im starting to wonder if its worth giving steroids up as a bad joke and continue to train natty. And pleaseeee don't dive in with the usual shite saying its my diet or my training (yawwwwnnn) I have friends that are successful bodybuilders (juniors etc) and even sticking to their particular training and diet plan my results are less than average for a guy on cycle. Anybody else experience this kind of thing? If so did you find amy compounds that actually work well for you? Ph cycles maybe, certain types of aas?

the concept of anatomy and physiology is so confusing and because it differentiates from person to person, sometimes there just is no definitive reason as to "why." it could be you are just a non responder (which is definitely a possibility but highly unlikely), gear quality, your just not injecting into the muscle, etc... im not saying nor accusing any of this, im just simply listing all possibilities for you to consider... you may want to try a different source, which im sure you have probably done, try other chems as well, stack sarms with your cycle or try yet something else different you have not tried...

for instance, for some reason when i run winstrol, i respond like most just do not... i can easily add 10 lbs. and drop body fat at a very rapid pace... you just have to find through trial and error, and in your circumstance, quite a bit, and see what happens... if you go to Evolutionary.org Forums, you can select or find multiple good sources to try... i hope you eventually find something that works...

 

[barbellbob]

the concept of anatomy and physiology is so confusing and because it differentiates from person to person, sometimes there just is no definitive reason as to "why." it could be you are just a non responder (which is definitely a possibility but highly unlikely), gear quality, your just not injecting into the muscle, etc... im not saying nor accusing any of this, im just simply listing all possibilities for you to consider... you may want to try a different source, which im sure you have probably done, try other chems as well, stack sarms with your cycle or try yet something else different you have not tried...

for instance, for some reason when i run winstrol, i respond like most just do not... i can easily add 10 lbs. and drop body fat at a very rapid pace... you just have to find through trial and error, and in your circumstance, quite a bit, and see what happens... if you go to Evolutionary.org Forums, you can select or find multiple good sources to try... i hope you eventually find something that works...

Thanks for the input bro, definitely injecting in to muscle as I get pip when first starting cycle. Also iv read even if you went subq (I obviously never would) that its still absorbed but at a slower rate. 10lbs on winny! Thats awesome. . I ran winny when cutting last year, and to be fair I liked how it gave me a "harder" look, but it was bringing me out in acne and I was going on holiday so I had to stop. As iv said I wouldn't say I was a non responder as strength etc goes up, I just don't pile muscle on. Maybe my genetics? I believe my gears been legit due to acne and gyno, but I will try a new source etc. What labs are people rating at the min?

 

[alcatraz1662]

this guy's posts are way too long and my eyes are too lazy from fucking last night to read this shit and give good input. sorry bud. Here you go: whatever dylangemelli said. Cheers

 

[barbellbob]

this guy's posts are way too long and my eyes are too lazy from fucking last night to read this shit and give good input. sorry bud. Here you go: whatever dylangemelli said. Cheers

I'll shorten my posts in future haha (but seriously. . Have a coffee an come back an tell us what you think)

 

[alcatraz1662]

I'll shorten my posts in future haha (but seriously. . Have a coffee an come back an tell us what you think)

had some coffee and scanned through. i think i got a slight idea about where this is going.

to answer ur original post: me personally. I think my buddy from college definitely responded better to aas than i did. fucker would blow up a few dbols and it showed alot more than it did with me. i also know guys who ate like complete shit and were always ripped, my dude. genetics def plays a role, but for the most part i think what everyone is trying to say is that if you're diet is spot on, your lifting/workout regiment is cued in and consistent, and your taking the proper aas and doses then you can achieve any result you want....which i have to agree on.

most people, including yourself i firmly believe (and even me in my earlier days) are bullshitters. not about their their aas use, but about their diets and lifting....i see people who SAY they're eating brown rice and chicken every meal 8 times a day, working out 2 hours a day, no booze and can honestly tell you if that were the case then they wouldn't be posting BS threads about bunk gear.

I look at my man dylan gemelli and can honestly say i've never looked like that.....i've been down to 8% bf when i was in the army and that's it. In college when i played football, i was between 10-13% bf on a good month, but that's because i ate like a horse (mostly good but some bad), got plowed at the clubs after a win here and there, and lifted for strength and size, never for aesthetics. so my yearning for sub 6% was never within grasp because of my diet/training/lifestyle. assess yourself honestly, ask yourself what more can you do and get after it. Okay I'm done now.

 

[barbellbob]

had some coffee and scanned through. i think i got a slight idea about where this is going.

to answer ur original post: me personally. I think my buddy from college definitely responded better to aas than i did. fucker would blow up a few dbols and it showed alot more than it did with me. i also know guys who ate like complete shit and were always ripped, my dude. genetics def plays a role, but for the most part i think what everyone is trying to say is that if you're diet is spot on, your lifting/workout regiment is cued in and consistent, and your taking the proper aas and doses then you can achieve any result you want....which i have to agree on.

most people, including yourself i firmly believe (and even me in my earlier days) are bullshitters. not about their their aas use, but about their diets and lifting....i see people who SAY they're eating brown rice and chicken every meal 8 times a day, working out 2 hours a day, no booze and can honestly tell you if that were the case then they wouldn't be posting BS threads about bunk gear.

I look at my man dylan gemelli and can honestly say i've never looked like that.....i've been down to 8% bf when i was in the army and that's it. In college when i played football, i was between 10-13% bf on a good month, but that's because i ate like a horse (mostly good but some bad), got plowed at the clubs after a win here and there, and lifted for strength and size, never for aesthetics. so my yearning for sub 6% was never within grasp because of my diet/training/lifestyle. assess yourself honestly, ask yourself what more can you do and get after it. Okay I'm done now.

Very honest response. . My diet isn't really special, white rice and chicken, 6 eggs a day, wholemeal bread, shakes.. but I certainly eat plenty of it. I think iv found the sweet spot with my training, lifts are increasing consistently. Iv yet to apply my new training programme to a cycle so fingers crossed. I guess this all stems from the guys we see with shit diets and training, yet still mamage to GROW! makes me question myself.. but iv made consistent progress (just not as fast as id like) Thanks for taking the time to reply bro, appreciate it

 

[meathead96]

Some compounds treat people better than others. Gotta find what works for you. However there is no substitute for diet and training which I'm sure you already know. Genetics can be a factor but even someone with shitty genetics should be able to get good results with.

 

[barbellbob]

Some compounds treat people better than others. Gotta find what works for you. However there is no substitute for diet and training which I'm sure you already know. Genetics can be a factor but even someone with shitty genetics should be able to get good results with.

Ima keep searching brother haha tell me about it im up at 5:45am every morning prepping the days food, kicking things off with a big bowl of porridge 3 eggs and a protein shake. Ill get there eventually (hopefully) just ordered some renvex test 400, tren ace, and tren E. Balls to the wall cycle! Ill give up on anabolics if this don't work out

 

[alcatraz1662]

Ima keep searching brother haha tell me about it im up at 5:45am every morning prepping the days food, kicking things off with a big bowl of porridge 3 eggs and a protein shake. Ill get there eventually (hopefully) just ordered some renvex test 400, tren ace, and tren E. Balls to the wall cycle! Ill give up on anabolics if this don't work out

anddddd he totally misses my point

 

[barbellbob]

anddddd he totally misses my point

I did?? lol

 

[gymrat827]

if you cant grow on tes, you need to re address things.

 

[barbellbob]

if you cant grow on tes, you need to re address things.

I have grown :s im 205lbs at 5ft 10.. pre training i was around 160-170lbs.. i just dont blew up on aas like some others do

 

[injfuel]

Post some pics bro , we will be able to see if your diet and training are working for you , you might not blow up but if your running gear and your metabolism is that fast you should have full visible abs and lean
Striated muscle at least , like I said pictures will speak 1000 words

 

[barbellbob]

Im not that lean unfortunately. . Im around 15% body fat right now, and im hitting a wall at 205lbs eating 5000 kcals a day. A study shows that peoples metabolism can increase or decrease by 15% in order to maintain the body's "natural" weight. I was gaining on 5000 kcals up until now but iv been at the same weight the last 3 weeks. Could it be that I now need 5750 kcals to continue gaining? If so im done here.. I cant possibly force anymore down my neck, im washing meals down with water as it is

 

[alcatraz1662]

Im not that lean unfortunately. . Im around 15% body fat right now, and im hitting a wall at 205lbs eating 5000 kcals a day. A study shows that peoples metabolism can increase or decrease by 15% in order to maintain the body's "natural" weight. I was gaining on 5000 kcals up until now but iv been at the same weight the last 3 weeks. Could it be that I now need 5750 kcals to continue gaining? If so im done here.. I cant possibly force anymore down my neck, im washing meals down with water as it is

So ur roughly 5'10" at 200lbs at 15%bf and ur eating over 5k clean cals/day and u can't grow?

Gonna call BS bro....I'm 6'2" and I was able to get to 265lbs, 10-12% bf...from around 4500kals/day. I know metabolism plays a role, but unless ur an Olympic athlete or Manny Pacquiao taking in 7-8k cals/day and working out 6-8 hours/day....I'm not buying ur story. Put up them pics

 

[barbellbob]

So... haven't posted for a while, rather than try and argue my point i started looking for answers. I was often bloated and force feeding myself, passing stool (quite loose at that) around 4 times a day, things recently got a bit worse and iv been tp the doctors. Currently waiting on some blood tests but it would appear there is certainly a problem. There is undigested food in my stool for 1. Also a lump found in my left abdomen, so it looks as though the mass amounts of food iv ate are partly going to waste which explains why im not gaining weight. Ill keep this updated incase its of use to anyone else

 

[Aplopez8]

So... haven't posted for a while, rather than try and argue my point i started looking for answers. I was often bloated and force feeding myself, passing stool (quite loose at that) around 4 times a day, things recently got a bit worse and iv been tp the doctors. Currently waiting on some blood tests but it would appear there is certainly a problem. There is undigested food in my stool for 1. Also a lump found in my left abdomen, so it looks as though the mass amounts of food iv ate are partly going to waste which explains why im not gaining weight. Ill keep this updated incase its of use to anyone else

Diverticulitis

 

[barbellbob]

Diverticulitis

I hope not!

 

[barbellbob]

Had some blood results today, pancreas and liver was not within what is considered a normal/healthy range, and im also dehydrated which isn't great for the kineys amongst other things (10 days or diarrhoea does that to you). Got more blood tests tuesday, eating is becoming more and more difficult as the days progress, unbearable stomach pains and nausea occur with each meal. Im now 10lbs down from last Saturday.