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MUSTANG_18

MUSTANG_18

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Hey guys! just got back from the doc today with my blood test results. My cholesterol and My Thyroid function are fine but my Cardiac/Muscle enzymes and Liver are high. My Ck is 645, My Gamma GT is 81, ALT is 35 and my AST is 40. How serious are these. I got more blood taken and go for a liver ultrasound in 2 weeks. She also told me not to take Milk Thistle(WTF??) I thought it was supposed to help your liver. I have been off for 4-5 weeks and now my summer cut cycle is on hold indefinatly and no Accutain for MUSTANG :bawling: This acne will be with me for a while. Any advice or info would be a huge help and relife. Any Advice ?
Thanks

M18
 
Doc knows best

Clinical studies have shown slight improvements in liver function for those on Milkthistle tabs vs the placebo tabs. Your doctor knows this and if there was significant improvement in liver function from Milkthistle it would not be over the counter. Any more pills would probably cause more harm than good at this point. Kind of like those Estogen pills over the counter anti estr. What a joke. Best thing for your liver is time to recover and heal.
that really sucks man especially since your probably going to look your best yet after a cutting cycle.

I hope your next test yeilds better results.

By the way do you have pustules or acne? If you have developed pustules, ususally around 10 days after a Deca cycle this cant be treated by accutane. It's a blood infection that might have not been tested for. Antibiotics will rid this. But as you know antibiotics are hard for the liver also.

milky.......
 
take the milkthestile...why not take it?....take a lot if you do....but your doc you could be right...but not sure...you'll be ok bro...
 
Milk Thistle is a preventive measure, once you reach those kind of numbers, you need liver tissue regeneration more than anything. Hope everything works out ok, the liver is a resilient organ, so if there's going to be problems that may not be as bad as others. At the very least you'll have to make some diet/lifestyle changes for a while, hang in there.
 
JuanDeLaCruz said:
What are pustules?
Click to expand...

Pustules are pussy mounds of oozing acne like bumps. Most people believe they are severe acne but are actually an infection from dirty injections or more commonly Brovel deca. The toxins in the blood are released into the pours to try to exude the infection. The skin then becomes infected and turns into bumpy purple oozing whiteheads. Nasty things and they can leave scars.
 
This results is wrong for sure, it's impossible that GGT would be higher than SGPT(ALT) & SGOT(AST)
anyway, the max. normal level of GGT is Under 80 U/liter
being 81U do not make a big different

and your Creatine Kinase CK isn't that bad the normal ratio should be under 600 IU/l
but I wanna say something being more than the max. results with 2% isn't a major problem, I have a lot of friends who got 360U on the SGPT & 285U on the Gamma GT

Don't worry pal
 
I would measure for Glutathione level first
High GGT with Low SGPT(ALT) & SGOT(AST) is usually occur while Glutathione level in the liver is low

For sure you used a lot of roids in the past few years including Anadrol or other drug that might caused a decreasing in Glutathione (A natural substance which the body makes to protect the liver & works as an anti-oxidant) and some Steroids decrease the production of this substance
 
Thanks for all the help and replys guys. I have talked to a couple of friends down at the Pharmasy as well and they said there is really nothing they can give me to help the liver right now, but my readig are not that bad(Thank goodness) I will go for the ultrasound in 2 weeks and see what it shows. At least this gives me more time to order for my cut cycle, this one will be HUGE:cool: Thanks again for all your help.

M18
 
HEY M18, CHECK OUT STEWS THREAD ON HIS LIVER RESULTS. GOOD INFO.

GOOD LUCK
 
Thanks Big Johnson! I just read over it and it does have a lot of good info. I guess i'll have to wait and see how it turns out with the ultrasound in 2 weeks.

M18
 
The CK, AST, and ALT enzymes are not the major problem, since these are known to be elevated in natural and drug-using bodybuilders (they are also markers of skeletal muscle damage). The GGT is the concern, since this enzyme, when associated with elevations of the former three enzymes, is correlated with possible liver damage. GGT can be elevated from alcohol use, so if you have used alcohol prior to the test, this may have artificially elevated it.

Have it checked just to be sure. In the mean-time, you can use the Milk Thistle (unless the Dr. can give you a GOOD reason why not to...and not some horseshit hypothesis), along with n-acetyl cysteine and phoshatidylcholine (or lecithin).
 
Cockdelz, I don't drink at all. I'll ocasionally have some beer but have not even done that since I started my cycle. I'll hit the Milk Thistle, Vitamin e and maybe some Conenzym Q10 as well as lemon juice(heard it was good for cleaning out the liver ?) and hopfully it will drop a little and the ultrasound will turn out fine. Thanks for all the advice.

M18
 
Mustang I can empathise with you! My enzymes are through the roof because of accuatine. My LD is 1850 and my AST is 220 .:mad: ! My doc pulled me off of the Accuatine with good reason.
 
hey bro there is theis pill out there like in europe that well repair the liver...not sure whats it called sorry but starts with the letter 'C' lol...i think you can order it from online......keep your head up...later
 
My SGPT was 86 and the doc told me that it was above normal but was not high. He said that high was above 100. He said I had nothing to worry about... I asked him if I could still get drunk on the weekends and he just laughed and pretty much said there should be no problem with that as far as my liver was concerned... but just to not make a habit out of it.

Why are you getting the ultrasound? Sounds like your doc wants some money out of your insurance company...



-Stew
 
Stew, my doc recommended an ultrasound but did noe give me a reason for it :confused: I am just going to start take Vitamin E, Milk Thistle and hopefully it will go down so I can start my summer cut cycle :cool: Thanks again for all your advice guys!

M18
 
Try not to worry to much about what the doc says. Is it an internal medicine doc or family practicioner?

If so, they don't really no shit about athletes. I had a couple of doctors freak out with slightly elevated numbers and recommend ultrasound. I, being a poor college student at the time, blew it off.

As I became a little more learned and talked to some docs in the know, I found that almost all lifters have elevated liver function tests regardless of whether or not they had used juice. That is because those tests measure tissue damage. I think they have tests now that measure for liver enzymes more directly, but am not sure.

I actually had one of the readings right around 100 and when a doc freaked me out, I submitted and got an ultrasound... it came back nothing wrong.

anyway, if the ultrasound will give you piece of mind, go for it... but don't sweat it too much.

if you take a shitload of 17aa stuff, your liver enzymes may shoot through the roof for a little while and lower as you come off these.. if you stay with test/deca, they should be only moderately raised.

peace.
squatlord
 
Goodluck to you Mustang, I hope its nothing serious. Don't rush that summer cycle. You still have your whole life ahead of you.
 
You need to know what is normal for a lazy slob with
a poor diet is not in the normal ranges for a bodybuilder
either on or off of gear. Were you on Accutane before?
This will really fuck with the liver tests. Also were you
using any product containing any form of Acetaminophen
for pain headache or anything. This will raise liver counts faster and higher than A-50. Give yourself a little
time no drinking and perhaps cut back on training a llittle
and you should be fine.
 
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