BackLoading a Cycle Instead of FrontLoad?

[jjaas]

All the cycles Ive seen and done were frontloaded to "kickstart"gains. I am curious as to what it would do, if anything, to flip it. This is what I was thinking
weeks 1-6
400 EQ EW
200 deca EW
500 enth EW
weeks 6-10
50 tren EOD
50 winnyEOD
weeks 10-12
500 hcg EOD
start pct

...or something like that...
All the long esters would be tapering off by the time the short ones began on week 6-10. Whatever estrogen was building up could benefit gains from the tren and winny(plus the winny would block some of the prolactin from the deca)? the hcg would get the balls back in order for pct.
I drove 12 hours today from PHX to Colorado, so I had a lot of time to think but im not sure Im thinking in a straight line.
Does this jive?
Im crashing now but Ill be back on tmr am

 

[badhabit08]

thats kinda dumb to run EQ and Test E for only 6 weeks, waste of money really, run those all the way thru as well as the Winny and tren for the last 4-6 weeks. I would bump cycle to 12 weeks then start Pct week 12-14. Gotta remember that Test E and EQ take awhile to start working, if u stop at the 6th week they would just start to be kicking in.

 

[timtim]

All the cycles Ive seen and done were frontloaded to "kickstart"gains. I am curious as to what it would do, if anything, to flip it. This is what I was thinking
weeks 1-6
400 EQ EW
200 deca EW
500 enth EW
weeks 6-10
50 tren EOD
50 winnyEOD
weeks 10-12
500 hcg EOD
start pct

...or something like that...
All the long esters would be tapering off by the time the short ones began on week 6-10. Whatever estrogen was building up could benefit gains from the tren and winny(plus the winny would block some of the prolactin from the deca)? the hcg would get the balls back in order for pct.
I drove 12 hours today from PHX to Colorado, so I had a lot of time to think but im not sure Im thinking in a straight line.
Does this jive?
Im crashing now but Ill be back on tmr am

too short on the long esters, unless you mega dose them. ending with tren alone and a shutdown hpta would make recovery ridiculously hard. back to the drawing board.

 

[Primordial Performance]

It’s not too bad of a plan… better to run the long esters at the beginning and let them clear as you end the cycle with sort esters/orals.

Use the hCG on cycle at 500iu/week, starting on week 2, ending on week 8.

-Pp

 

[Wulfgar]

the goal of frontloading really isnt to "kickstart" anything

basically the goal of any cycle is to maximize anabolism in a given time frame, reduce catabolism post cycle, and minimize sides

this is usually best accomplished by increasing the "maximum periods of effectiveness". What I mean by that is once your AAS blood plasma levels are elevated the body responds by increasing catabolic hormones(namely cortisol, estrogen and glucagon) in an effort to maintain homeostasis.
As a general rule the body reponds well to almost anything for about 14-21 days until a sort of equilibrium is reached where your anabolic/catabolic hormone ratio evens out and gains come grinding to a halt. In this situation most bodybuilders do 1 thing....up thier doses. Problem being when this happens the body mearly increasers its doses. As we all know running gear to high for too long is what leads to HPTA shutdown, sides(gyno, acne, etc..). So obviously this rationale is flawed.

try to formula out bro I think it will work better for what you are trying to do

I am going to assume you are about 200 lbs @ 12% bf. adjust accordingly if you are more or less than that.

Days 1,3,5,7,9,11 200 mg Test enan
Days 13,15,17,19,21,23 100 mg EQ
Days 24,26 50 mg EQ and 150 mg Deca
Days 28,32 300 mg Deca and
Day 36 Deca 100 mg and 50 mg tren
Days 28,40,42 100 mg Tren

Run winstrol @ 50 mg in a 3 on 1 off rotation days 28-42

Run Adex @ 1 mg daily throughout the cycle
Days 43-56 T3 25 mcg 2xd, Clen 80-120 mcg 1xd, Clomid 50 mg/d


good luck broly

I think with this cycle you will make twice the gains and keep them in half the time.

 

[jjaas]

the goal of frontloading really isnt to "kickstart" anything

basically the goal of any cycle is to maximize anabolism in a given time frame, reduce catabolism post cycle, and minimize sides

this is usually best accomplished by increasing the "maximum periods of effectiveness". What I mean by that is once your AAS blood plasma levels are elevated the body responds by increasing catabolic hormones(namely cortisol, estrogen and glucagon) in an effort to maintain homeostasis.
As a general rule the body reponds well to almost anything for about 14-21 days until a sort of equilibrium is reached where your anabolic/catabolic hormone ratio evens out and gains come grinding to a halt. In this situation most bodybuilders do 1 thing....up thier doses. Problem being when this happens the body mearly increasers its doses. As we all know running gear to high for too long is what leads to HPTA shutdown, sides(gyno, acne, etc..). So obviously this rationale is flawed.

try to formula out bro I think it will work better for what you are trying to do

I am going to assume you are about 200 lbs @ 12% bf. adjust accordingly if you are more or less than that.

Days 1,3,5,7,9,11 200 mg Test enan
Days 13,15,17,19,21,23 100 mg EQ
Days 24,26 50 mg EQ and 150 mg Deca
Days 28,32 300 mg Deca and
Day 36 Deca 100 mg and 50 mg tren
Days 28,40,42 100 mg Tren

Run winstrol @ 50 mg in a 3 on 1 off rotation days 28-42

Run Adex @ 1 mg daily throughout the cycle
Days 43-56 T3 25 mcg 2xd, Clen 80-120 mcg 1xd, Clomid 50 mg/d


good luck broly

I think with this cycle you will make twice the gains and keep them in half the time.

Thanks for this post and all the input, that is along the line I was thinking. i have everything you wrote except for the t-3 but I can get that. Right now Im at 200 but I dont know what my bf% is. Think hcg should be in there somewhere?

 

[jjaas]

ok, here is the final product

week 1 week 2 week3 week4
250 sust 325 sust 450 sust 500 sust
300 EQ 400 EQ 500 EQ 600 EQ
68.75 Deca 137.50 Deca 206.25 Deca 275 Deca


week5 week6
25 tren EOD 25 tren
25 winny EOD 25 winny
20 Dbol EOD 20 dbol

week7+8
500 iu HCG EOD
25 proviron ED

week9 week10,11,12
40 nolva 25 nolva
clomid? clomid?


arimidex week 3 PRN

I might add another week for the short acting esters bc the long esters will still be kickin when I start HCG. not sure

 

[advanced-stealth]

+1

the goal of frontloading really isnt to "kickstart" anything

basically the goal of any cycle is to maximize anabolism in a given time frame, reduce catabolism post cycle, and minimize sides

this is usually best accomplished by increasing the "maximum periods of effectiveness". What I mean by that is once your AAS blood plasma levels are elevated the body responds by increasing catabolic hormones(namely cortisol, estrogen and glucagon) in an effort to maintain homeostasis.
As a general rule the body reponds well to almost anything for about 14-21 days until a sort of equilibrium is reached where your anabolic/catabolic hormone ratio evens out and gains come grinding to a halt. In this situation most bodybuilders do 1 thing....up thier doses. Problem being when this happens the body mearly increasers its doses. As we all know running gear to high for too long is what leads to HPTA shutdown, sides(gyno, acne, etc..). So obviously this rationale is flawed.

try to formula out bro I think it will work better for what you are trying to do

I am going to assume you are about 200 lbs @ 12% bf. adjust accordingly if you are more or less than that.

Days 1,3,5,7,9,11 200 mg Test enan
Days 13,15,17,19,21,23 100 mg EQ
Days 24,26 50 mg EQ and 150 mg Deca
Days 28,32 300 mg Deca and
Day 36 Deca 100 mg and 50 mg tren
Days 28,40,42 100 mg Tren

Run winstrol @ 50 mg in a 3 on 1 off rotation days 28-42

Run Adex @ 1 mg daily throughout the cycle
Days 43-56 T3 25 mcg 2xd, Clen 80-120 mcg 1xd, Clomid 50 mg/d


good luck broly

I think with this cycle you will make twice the gains and keep them in half the time.

 

[jjaas]

+1

lol enough said. thanks