BA/BB ratios in homebrewing

[DBBT]

from drrman:

The powders are dissolved per se in the ba and bb you put in the beaker with the powder.

below is the way i prefer to make my injectables as its the most pain free i have found

BA is benzyl alcohol and keeps the oil/hormone sterile, it will kill most bacteria and is required, but it is the reason most injections cause pain. It was formally thought that you needed much higher BA with higher mg/ml ratios, but its not necessary

you can use the 2/20 or 3/17 on damn near anything you want to make...YES, that works the best on most anything. 2%ba and 18%bb, the ba is enough to help dissolve and keep the oil sterile, and the BB will keep it from crashing and make the oil thinner and more easily dispersable in the depot

you can go as high as the following using this


Trenbolone:
Acetate - 150mg/ml
Enanthate - 500mg/ml

Testosterone:
Enanthate - 400mg/ml
Cypionate - 300mg/ml
Propionate - 150mg/ml
Phenylpropionate - 150mg/ml

Boldenone: Undeclynate(equipoise) - 600mg/ml

Nandrolones(decas)
Phenylpropionate - 150mg/ml
Decanoate - 400mg/ml



those are just a few examples, you can also get into blends which many UG labs seem to be doing.

 

[H_T_]

subscribed. i followed some directions on another site for making Cyp @ 250mg/ml and it pretty much gelatinized. someone said it can only be made at 200mg/ml.

 

[jacob600rr]

is the 3/17 enough for disolving pellets or is that only for powders?

 

[DBBT]

is the 3/17 enough for disolving pellets or is that only for powders?

diff. process with pellets, check basskiller's site

 

[makeingains]

fucc######### I think this is over the top!

 

[DBBT]

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[the562goodguy]

so DBBT what do you think the best ratio is for brewing prop 150mgs? thanks for your help btw

 

[P4D2A022]

dbbt - awesome f'ing thread bro! thanks a lot man! what would be a good ratio for fina pellets at 100mg/ml? 2%ba/18%bb? or 2/20?

 

[DBBT]

so DBBT what do you think the best ratio is for brewing prop 150mgs? thanks for your help btw

i'd still go 2/18 or even 2/20

 

[DBBT]

dbbt - awesome f'ing thread bro! thanks a lot man! what would be a good ratio for fina pellets at 100mg/ml? 2%ba/18%bb? or 2/20?

i've never dones those pellets...but i know they have to dissolve in the bb/ba mix just like pow does...knowing that i'd stick with 2/18 maing.

 

[P4D2A022]

gotcha. how much of a difference is 2/20 compared to 2/18??

 

[brother_swole]

from drrman:

you can go as high as the following using this


Trenbolone:
Acetate - 150mg/ml
Enanthate - 500mg/ml

Testosterone:
Enanthate - 400mg/ml
Cypionate - 300mg/ml
Propionate - 150mg/ml
Phenylpropionate - 150mg/ml

Boldenone: Undeclynate(equipoise) - 600mg/ml

Nandrolones(decas)
Phenylpropionate - 150mg/ml
Decanoate - 400mg/ml



those are just a few examples, you can also get into blends which many UG labs seem to be doing.

Great info..
Many of the recipes I have found on various site have much diff. ratios based on old school beliefs..

Good to have "here and now" ratios...

Still Swole

 

[DBBT]

gotcha. how much of a difference is 2/20 compared to 2/18??

with fina 100mg/ml you don't need to go higher just do 2/18, try to get some grapeseed instead of cottonseed to make it a little thinner.

 

[P4D2A022]

ok thanks bro. ill get the grapeseed at the market then

 

[the562goodguy]

i'd still go 2/18 or even 2/20

awesome thanks a lot bro i really appreciate it. as read in your post about the grapeseed oil, would it also be beneficial to the prop that way i can pin with a smaller gage needle? or should i just stick to cottonseed?

 

[DBBT]

its a very miniscule difference.

 

[snutten_00]

from drrman:

The powders are dissolved per se in the ba and bb you put in the beaker with the powder.

below is the way i prefer to make my injectables as its the most pain free i have found

BA is benzyl alcohol and keeps the oil/hormone sterile, it will kill most bacteria and is required, but it is the reason most injections cause pain. It was formally thought that you needed much higher BA with higher mg/ml ratios, but its not necessary

you can use the 2/20 or 3/17 on damn near anything you want to make...YES, that works the best on most anything. 2%ba and 18%bb, the ba is enough to help dissolve and keep the oil sterile, and the BB will keep it from crashing and make the oil thinner and more easily dispersable in the depot

you can go as high as the following using this


Trenbolone:
Acetate - 150mg/ml
Enanthate - 500mg/ml

Testosterone:
Enanthate - 400mg/ml
Cypionate - 300mg/ml
Propionate - 150mg/ml
Phenylpropionate - 150mg/ml

Boldenone: Undeclynate(equipoise) - 600mg/ml

Nandrolones(decas)
Phenylpropionate - 150mg/ml
Decanoate - 400mg/ml



those are just a few examples, you can also get into blends which many UG labs seem to be doing.

Very well written and good info,
Now I am interested in e EQ
Your measurements of the powder (how many grams?) Or peletc

 

[PuffDawg]

EQ is a liquid bro... Thats why its so easy to get such a high concentration to hold

 

[snutten_00]

I've tried to use powder calculator
Primo E
200mg/ml
10 grams powder
40.5 ml oil
2.5ml ba
6 ml bb

I've counted correctly, because some guys said to me that I should
200mg/ml
32.5 ml oil
10 grams powder
1ml ba
9ml bb

Do not want to some guys are wrong, I too want to know what is wrong
and right.
Tell me if I have miscalculated and was
To learn to count right

 

[PuffDawg]

I've counted correctly, because some guys said to me that I should
200mg/ml
32.5 ml oil
10 grams powder
1ml ba
9ml bb

I'd use this one... Its 2% and 18%. Will work just fine and the calculations are perfect for about 50ml's.

 

[snutten_00]

I found the calculator counting would fit much better!
Then va is another thing, I read that when you produce Tren E is to heat the salvor of communication fits heat. How much e notify high heat,
How many degrees?
I am most interested in the manufacture of Primobolan E and Trenbolone E , and want to know at what temperature should I solve Powder, BB and BA, then you must heat the oil and mix together allti.
but the question is at what heat is to mix those things?

 

[PuffDawg]

Just enough heat to get them to dissolve...

 

[snutten_00]

thanks bro !!!

 

[snutten_00]

That is, if I understand right
BA-A fairly potent solvent, Whose main function for our purposes is keeping a bacteriostatic solution.
If you use a lot of BA when you get a pain in the muscles you press Start.
BB Helps dissolve the hormone, helps keep it in solution into prolonged (injection site), and Thin the gear so it is easy to draw and Inject
What happens if you put a little BB solution for a bit of a mix, or what happens if you use too much.
Why a product crashes?
How do you know, or do you see that the mixture is crashed?

 

[Para_Shoot]

I have Watson test cyp prescribed to me that I got straight from Walgreens pharmacy and it has clearly printed on it a ratio of .9% BA and 20%BB. You do not need to go to 2% or 3% BA.

 

[richiestyle]

I just finished doing a batch of Enanthate with a buddy of mine and the recipe he used was 5/15 BA/BB. Is this odd and is that going to hurt like a bitch?

 

[zedhed]

K to you DBBT! Gr8 bro and GR8 info here!!

 

[chesty]

I've counted correctly, because some guys said to me that I should
200mg/ml
32.5 ml oil
10 grams powder
1ml ba
9ml bb

I'd use this one... Its 2% and 18%. Will work just fine and the calculations are perfect for about 50ml's.

From a mathematical standpoint for 200mg/ml at 50 ml of liquid, oil should be 30 ml exactly, this will give you exactly 2% and 18% on the nose. Not that I am a rocket scientist or anything...(well, okay, I am)

 

[goin on 4T]

10g does not = 10ml
10g = 10g(.75) = 7.5ml

 

[chesty]

I did not know you could convert a dry weight to a volume.

 

[goin on 4T]

you have to or your mg/ml will be incorrect. 75% is a basic density conversion

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

Trenbolone:
Acetate - 150mg/ml
Enanthate - 500mg/ml

Testosterone:
Enanthate - 400mg/ml
Cypionate - 300mg/ml
Propionate - 150mg/ml
Phenylpropionate - 150mg/ml

Boldenone: Undeclynate(equipoise) - 600mg/ml

Nandrolones(decas)
Phenylpropionate - 150mg/ml
Decanoate - 400mg/ml

Wow those are some HIGH concentrations... are you saying that is as high as you can go concerning the solvent handling the active compound, or as high as you can go regarding the pain threshold each injection will cause the end user?

Where are the kitchen chemistry breakdowns for each of these recipes?

 

[chesty]

Okay, I see what you are doing with it.

 

[goin on 4T]

That is as high as you can go without crashing.
Post them up later...

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

That is as high as you can go without crashing.
Post them up later...

Repped, thanks a lot. I'll wait on the conversion details and recipes - have a good one.

 

[goin on 4T]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-chemistry/step-step-instructions-homebrew-enanthate-532238.html

 

[goin on 4T]

and the best most detailed one thanks DBBT!

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-chemistry/updated-kitchen-chemists-cookbook-532234.html