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transderm is a DHEA..why would I use a hormone in PCT???


Since Transaderm supplies the body with an outside source of hormones and causes such a significant boost in hormone levels, it can eventually suppress the body's natural hormone production. Therefore, it is recommended that Transaderm be cycled to avoid inhibition.*

This is horrible advice. Im telling you guys I want to come off for good and both of you are recommending a hormone in PCT..
 
Alright so heres my order.

No sarms or DHEA. I don't want anything that can supress me.


1 Bridge
1 Forma stanzol
2 HCGenerate
1 Post cycle double pack
1 DAA
1 Phytoserms
+Triptorelin, Clomid.


I plan to run

1st half

1 shot triptorellin
Clomid 50 mg ed
forma
post cycle pack
daa
hcgenerate

2nd half

phyto
Hcgenerate
bridge
daa
 
Alright so heres my order.

No sarms or DHEA. I don't want anything that can supress me.

Smart guy.

It sounds like you haven't overly abused your body, so time is probably the number one best thing you have that will get you back to normal. Good PCT won't hurt either, but for your plan I have a couple of thoughts:

Why no Hcg?

Why tryptorelin? I'd be skeptical about this one. It actually lowers T, LH and FSH after an initial surge. I read some positive use of it in PCT if you know what your doing, but honestly, you are going to recover just fine without it, so I'm not sure I'd mess with it.

(I am not a licensed physician).
:)


Triptorelin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The result from taking Triptorelin is a gradual reduction of testosterone in the body, which is why the best use for this peptide is part of a post-cycle therapy where you need to reduce testosterone before it aromatizes into estrogen.
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Smart guy.

It sounds like you haven't overly abused your body, so time is probably the number one best thing you have that will get you back to normal. Good PCT won't hurt either, but for your plan I have a couple of thoughts:

Why no Hcg?

Why tryptorelin? I'd be skeptical about this one. It actually lowers T, LH and FSH after an initial surge. I read some positive use of it in PCT if you know what your doing, but honestly, you are going to recover just fine without it, so I'm not sure I'd mess with it.

(I am not a licensed physician).
:)


I never abused AAs but I never recovered %100 from them because I didn't properly use hcg and transit into PCT.This is my last resort.

Im blasting HCG right now 500 iu ED.. Im feeling a good,no major mood swings.Libido is up and somehow im making gains.Im spooning my girl more than usual-this is good for at the end of my cycle!. My weight is up as well. Things are looking good.

I did some research on it where people have recovered well just doing one shot of triptorellin.


During the treatment of prostate cancer it does cause a surge of testosterone (an initial uplevel of testosterone levels), known as a flare effect. In men a reduction of serum testosterone levels into the range normally seen after surgical castration occurs approximately two to four weeks after initiation of therapy. In contrast, gonadotropin-releasing hormone antagonists do not cause a surge, but a sudden reduction of testosterone levels.

Remember this is for regular patients who are taking it on a regular basis.


GnRH (Triptorelin) – The next generation in PCT and fertility

GnRH (Gonadotropin-releasing hormone) or Triptorelin is actually nothing new. Though, with the results from a new study (I’ll get to that later), we are now just realizing its true potential for being a staple in the normal anabolic steroids users recovery or restart. GnRH has actually been used for a long time by horse breeders, and a way to stimulate the anterior pituitary to release follicle-stimulating hormone, or FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - . With this stimulation, the horses became more fertile, and breeding would commence. This helped breeders keep their horses sexually active, and help them become fertile.

First, we will talk a little about FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - . FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - is one of the two main hormones responsible for sexual reproduction regulations (along with lh - leutenizing hormone - ). FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - plays the main role in stimulating the production and maturation of germ cells (which either become sperm in males, or eggs in females). This mean, when your pituitary is stimulated to produce FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - (as a reaction from GnRH), FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - will begin to stimulate the production of sperm in men. GnRH pulses in our bodies, and that pulse controls when we produce FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - .
How does GnRH play a role in this? Well, GnRH is normally a chemical that is sent from our brain to the pituitary to tell it to produce both FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - and lh - leutenizing hormone - . When a small pulse dose of GnRH (around 100mcg) is injected, your pituitary receives that signal to start producing. This will result in both an increase in testosterone serum (as a result from the lh - leutenizing hormone - stimulation) and an increase in sperm (or egg in a female case) count. The result may be a clean and effective jumpstart to our reproductive system for anabolic steroids users, and all that this jumpstart requires is one small dose.

Dosing and side effects

Like many chemicals, we want to really pay attention to our dosing. GnRH makes a great jumpstart, probably now the most effective jumpstart chem, because unlike HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , it stimulates both lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - to a higher extent and has a much more lasting effect. But much like HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , dihydrotestosterone, HMB, ect ect, we need to be very careful with our pituitary and avoid hyper-stimulation. We need to pulse it once, at a small dose, simulating the pulse that is normally sent from our brain, and then let our bodies do the rest of the work.
GnRH is so powerful that large doses (around 4mg), repeated once a month, is being used as a chemical form of castration. This dose is so intense on the pituitary, that it hyper-stimulates, resulting in castration-like levels of testosterone serum in the body. Much like HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , dosing is delicate, and too much is not a good thing. We need to use GnRH as a restart, one-and-done, and not over-do things because it may have a much more opposite and negative effect.

Without any further talk, here is my recommendation for use. One single 100mcg dose per cycle, after all esters have cleared the body and you are 100% ready for recovery. HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - should still be used on-cycle, but in my opinion this full-stimulation should be saved for the PCT and recovery phase. Use HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - on cycle to continue simulating lh - leutenizing hormone - , and then GnRH in the post cycle. Studies I have read have seen results from even 600mcg used in a three-day period, and still hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - function was completely restored, and his hormone levels remained within the normal range during three checkups within the following year. This suggests that the restart will not have the “flare” effect if used at reasonable doses. Another study showed the same effect, with a dose of only one 100mcg injection into a bodybuilder who had been shutdown for 13 years. That said, no more then 100mcg per 4 months. Do not exceed 1mg within a year to avoid the castration-like shutdown of your system. That even gives you room to do it after an 8-week cycle, take the appropriate time off, and then begin another. And for oral-only cycles that are under 8 weeks, save your money, as Triptorelin is not cheap stuff.
 
You got me all confused now.. Isn't proviron an AA? I dont have time to run it at the end right now.





So would you rather have me use forged instead of unleashed b/c its out of stock?

Im sorry for asking for many questions but all these products are new to me..The hcgenerate,bridge,unleashed,forge etc.. Im doing the best I can do learn about them So I can use it properly.

If unleashed it out you could find avena sativa at vitamins shoppe
 
I never abused AAs but I never recovered %100 from them because I didn't properly use hcg and transit into PCT.This is my last resort.

Im blasting HCG right now 500 iu ED.. Im feeling a good,no major mood swings.Libido is up and somehow im making gains.Im spooning my girl more than usual-this is good for at the end of my cycle!. My weight is up as well. Things are looking good.

How do you know you never recovered? Maybe I'm mis reading, but you make it sound that unless you do some sort of PCT, you will never recover. That's not true. It might take longer, but your body, sensing low T levels, should start producing again, unless you were on so long that you did permanent damage, and it doesn't sound like you ever did really long cycles.
That's how we did it in the old days: Juice, quit, go through a period of weakness and shrinking, try to lift hard to fight it, then slowly start feeling back to normal again. :)

I did some research on it where people have recovered well just doing one shot of triptorellin.

Yeah, I know that info is out there, but as you know, it is tricky business because it will shut you down as well. As long as you have the whole story, its up to you. But again, you are going to recover without it anyway.
 
How do you know you never recovered? Maybe I'm mis reading, but you make it sound that unless you do some sort of PCT, you will never recover. That's not true. It might take longer, but your body, sensing low T levels, should start producing again, unless you were on so long that you did permanent damage, and it doesn't sound like you ever did really long cycles.
That's how we did it in the old days: Juice, quit, go through a period of weakness and shrinking, try to lift hard to fight it, then slowly start feeling back to normal again. :)



Yeah, I know that info is out there, but as you know, it is tricky business because it will shut you down as well. As long as you have the whole story, its up to you. But again, you are going to recover without it anyway.



After two months of my last cycle,I got ill. I went and got bloods done and my levels were at 470 for test.. I had low libido,no motivation to workout. If I worked out It took over a week to get rid of the soreness.The bloods also showed elevated liver enzymes. What caused me to hop back on was because i was feeling like shit and had no libido. As I said in my original post,I was going to administer self trt because hopping on and off cycles was a point of time. So I jumped back to 200mg test to then down to 100mg which im currently on.

I was never on for longer than 3 months but thats long enough to do permanent damage. This time im coming off for good because from the time I was 21 to 24 it feels like I aged to 45 all of a sudden. Fuck steroids. They ruined my life.Its not worth a damn thing for our ego. I was such a beast before them. Ill admit that I was wrong and began early. But when you see all your role models starting at a young age you get tempted.
 
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transderm is a DHEA..why would I use a hormone in PCT???




This is horrible advice. Im telling you guys I want to come off for good and both of you are recommending a hormone in PCT..

This is if you take too much for too long. However a 2-4 week light run will simple help the body jump start test production. small percentage of users, Rs-transaderm becomes such a powerful testosterone booster, that it can eventually suppress LH & FSH to some degree. This is due to a unpredicted variance in 17b hSD levels in different subjects and the peripheral conversion rate of DHEA > T. This issue can be side-stepped by applying to different application spots. Maybe a little far advanced for some people to understand so please forgive me I figured you would just take my word for it considering you asked for me personally.

Remember Rs-transaderm Has "bio-identical hormonal precursors". This is not a " pro hormone" Or a steroid not at all there is a big difference.. bio-identical hormonal precursors will cause a rise in other target hormones but only become suppressive when these other target hormones go beyond natural levels. Something that is not going to happen with someone like your self who is despretly trying to recover. Nevertheless in the program I have designed for you you still have other phases of pct left after using the Rs-transaderm which would still insure recovery even if test levels went a little high during this phase of the pct which I highly doubt will happen however do not see as such a bad thing if they did...

In any event feel free to use what ever you feel comfortable with my friend no harm done here I just like to help. Thanks :rose:
 
You got me all confused now.. Isn't proviron an AA? I dont have time to run it at the end right now.





So would you rather have me use forged instead of unleashed b/c its out of stock?

Im sorry for asking for many questions but all these products are new to me..The hcgenerate,bridge,unleashed,forge etc.. Im doing the best I can do learn about them So I can use it properly.

Yes that is fine to do. And its no problem at all my friend it was all new to many of us when we first started. I dont expect anyone to know as much as me. Unless they have 24 hours a day 7 days a week for 5 years worth of research under their belt lol.. I enjoy learning and teaching just the same so ask as much as you like.
 
Yes that is fine to do. And its no problem at all my friend it was all new to many of us when we first started. I dont expect anyone to know as much as me. Unless they have 24 hours a day 7 days a week for 5 years worth of research under their belt lol.. I enjoy learning and teaching just the same so ask as much as you like.

whats your view on a shot of triptorellin at the beggining of pct?
 
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