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solarclimax

solarclimax

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How do you deal with assholes at work ? i along with sum other guy have just started a new job, to cut a long story short, whenever our supervisor leaves the room, this guy acts like a prick. For example he asked me why i look like my parents have just died, and he would prefer it if i would smile a bit more it's not like i even had an expression on my face that justified this. If your gonna say something like that to someone at least wait until they look sad or something ? Then other times he will ask me a simple question to which i give a simple answer and he will smurk at me like he is trying to get some sort of rection out of me, The smurk is so annoying cos he kinda licks his lips and smurks at you, in a creepy way like he's gay or something.

A few years ago it wouldn't be a problem i would of just punched him in the face, but i'm more mature now and not only do i need to keep my job but i want to be a person who just gets along with life i dont want to end up playing silly mind games with immature weirdos and i dont want to get violent.

How do you folks deal with assholes like this at work ?

It's not like he's just simply one of theose annoying pricks that we all come accross, it's like he's weird and really creepy, and i fear if it gets to much i will end up fucking him up and losing my job
 
dude, just ignore the asshole?

is this really that hard?
then one up the shit out of him in performance
 
solarclimax said:
How do you deal with assholes at work ? i along with sum other guy have just started a new job, to cut a long story short, whenever our supervisor leaves the room, this guy acts like a prick. For example he asked me why i look like my parents have just died, and he would prefer it if i would smile a bit more it's not like i even had an expression on my face that justified this. If your gonna say something like that to someone at least wait until they look sad or something ? Then other times he will ask me a simple question to which i give a simple answer and he will smurk at me like he is trying to get some sort of rection out of me, The smurk is so annoying cos he kinda licks his lips and smurks at you, in a creepy way like he's gay or something.

A few years ago it wouldn't be a problem i would of just punched him in the face, but i'm more mature now and not only do i need to keep my job but i want to be a person who just gets along with life i dont want to end up playing silly mind games with immature weirdos and i dont want to get violent.

How do you folks deal with assholes like this at work ?

It's not like he's just simply one of theose annoying pricks that we all come accross, it's like he's weird and really creepy, and i fear if it gets to much i will end up fucking him up and losing my job
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oh, you work with Dwight Schrute>
 
Smurfy said:
oh, you work with Dwight Schrute>
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by the way, I love you! :heart:
 
shirlene29 said:
dude, just ignore the asshole?

is this really that hard?
then one up the shit out of him in performance
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What about when the supervisor is around and he tries to make it look like he is being nice to me and i dont respond ? won't the supervisor think i'm being ignorant, ignoring him ?
 
Be really really polite. He's looking for a reaction. If he starts crossing the line with unprofessional behaviour, then start documenting it for future reference. Losers like that will hang themselves with their own rope.
 
Will you get fired if you call this guy out to his face? Next time you are alone lay it all out to him and see what his response is. Other than that I would out work the dude and make yourself a more valuable worker than he is so if you ever do decide to punch him in the face they will fire his ass!! :)
 
solarclimax said:
How do you deal with assholes at work ? i along with sum other guy have just started a new job, to cut a long story short, whenever our supervisor leaves the room, this guy acts like a prick. For example he asked me why i look like my parents have just died, and he would prefer it if i would smile a bit more it's not like i even had an expression on my face that justified this. If your gonna say something like that to someone at least wait until they look sad or something ? Then other times he will ask me a simple question to which i give a simple answer and he will smurk at me like he is trying to get some sort of rection out of me, The smurk is so annoying cos he kinda licks his lips and smurks at you, in a creepy way like he's gay or something.

A few years ago it wouldn't be a problem i would of just punched him in the face, but i'm more mature now and not only do i need to keep my job but i want to be a person who just gets along with life i dont want to end up playing silly mind games with immature weirdos and i dont want to get violent.

How do you folks deal with assholes like this at work ?

It's not like he's just simply one of theose annoying pricks that we all come accross, it's like he's weird and really creepy, and i fear if it gets to much i will end up fucking him up and losing my job
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fuck his gf/wife
 
What job is it and how old are you?

If he asks you a question just say something like "Don't worry about it" go on about your business.
 
it's called work cause it's not all fun and dandelions.



if you can't take a douche bag giving you the stink eye, then you need to look into welfare. At least they won't judge you for being a loser.
 
Just ignore him, but only to his face, be courteous in front of everyone, if that fails be passive aggressive and use no/yes answer or very short answers, and if that fails just flat out tell him you dont like him, maybe he'll leave you alone....
 
redshirt27se said:
it's called work cause it's not all fun and dandelions.



if you can't take a douche bag giving you the stink eye, then you need to look into welfare. At least they won't judge you for being a loser.
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When i refered to the guy in quetion acting gay, i wasn't trying to put down gays, I'm sorry if my post offended you and your sexuality.
Please forgive me.
 
To everyone else, thank's for your interesting posts. Solar understands that some people are not fortunate enough to have the intelligence that it takes to be respectful to others. And that it is my duty as a more developed human being to try and look past and or maybe try to help with any inappropriate behaviour that said people may display as a result of there lack of intelligence.
 
solarclimax said:
To everyone else, thank's for your interesting posts. Solar understands that some people are not fortunate enough to have the intelligence that it takes to be respectful to others. And that it is my duty as a more developed human being to try and look past and or maybe try to help with any inappropriate behaviour that said people may display as a result of there lack of intelligence.
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Samoth is laughing. TYFT



:cow:
 
solarclimax said:
To everyone else, thank's for your interesting posts. Solar understands that some people are not fortunate enough to have the intelligence that it takes to be respectful to others. And that it is my duty as a more developed human being to try and look past and or maybe try to help with any inappropriate behaviour that said people may display as a result of there lack of intelligence.
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Put this message on his voice mail:
I will be out of the office for the next two weeks for
medical
reasons. When I return, please refer to me as 'Lucille'
instead of.......
 
PuddleMonkey said:
their
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Solar claculates "their" is a fair chance some people with average or below levels of intelligence will assume that a speellling error would indicate that i myself lack said intelligence.

Allow me to point you to the fact that it took me like 5 seconds to find this page through google They're, There and Their
And a futher 5 seconds or less to realise the correct spelling for the 3 different types of the simlar word. Wich has very little to do with my intelligence, and more to do with remembering things that don't matter all that much.

Insert spelling mistake below, as i don't have time to check, i'm to busy doing something productive.
 
solarclimax said:
Solar claculates "their" is a fair chance some people with average or below levels of intelligence will assume that a speellling error would indicate that i myself lack said intelligence.

Allow me to point you to the fact that it took me like 5 seconds to find this page through google They're, There and Their
And a futher 5 seconds or less to realise the correct spelling for the 3 different types of the simlar word. Wich has very little to do with my intelligence, and more to do with remembering things that don't matter all that much.

Insert spelling mistake below, as i don't have time to check, i'm to busy doing something productive.
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Basic grammar son, I'm sorry you don't grasp it.
 
jaimejame78 said:
Will you get fired if you call this guy out to his face? Next time you are alone lay it all out to him and see what his response is. Other than that I would out work the dude and make yourself a more valuable worker than he is so if you ever do decide to punch him in the face they will fire his ass!! :)
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never corner an employee at work 1 on 1. terrible advice. odds are there are cameras around and he or she can say you threatened them. all of the sudden it looks real bad on film that you waited to get somebody alone 1 on 1 and say anything.

best advice so far, document every incident with a time stamp and let them hang themself.

never confront someone 1 on 1. always have witnesses.
 
PuddleMonkey said:
Basic grammar son, I'm sorry you don't grasp it.
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I just posted a link to a page that explained the differences to the meanings of the words, and then stated it took me very little time and effort to understand "it". Why would you then think that i don't grasp "it" ? Someone as brainy as Einstein will post a statement about something important 1 day, and then some idiot will post a comment below it telling that they made a spelling mistake.
The English language itself is far from being completely free of flaws.
 
solarclimax said:
Solar claculates "their" is a fair chance some people with average or below levels of intelligence will assume that a speellling error would indicate that i myself lack said intelligence.

Allow me to point you to the fact that it took me like 5 seconds to find this page through google They're, There and Their
And a futher 5 seconds or less to realise the correct spelling for the 3 different types of the simlar word. Wich has very little to do with my intelligence, and more to do with remembering things that don't matter all that much.

Insert spelling mistake below, as i don't have time to check, i'm to busy doing something productive.
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Yeah I agree, not everybody is a great speller, and who really cares? It has no bearing on intelligence levels.
I took a degree in english literature, and I am just naturally a good speller. Doesn't mean I am the sharpest knife in the drawer...
One interesting fact that I did learn was that Shakespeare loved to play around with spelling just for the hell of it. So, you're in good company Solar :)
 
samoth said:
LOL @ dumbs rationalizing their own stupidity. At least try to pretend you possess some basic self-awareness.

HTH



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Tabernac, take it down a notch
 
trex74 said:
Tabernac, take it down a notch
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Verbal ability is one of the bases for intelligence. Feel free to attempt debate here if you disagree.

Its' just always so sad too see the masses of dumbs learning to use the internet, rationalizing there misuse of they're lack of basic language abilitys along the way. U no wat i meen?



:cow:
 
samoth said:
Verbal ability is one of the bases for intelligence. Feel free to attempt debate here if you disagree.

Its' just always so sad too see the masses of dumbs learning to use the internet, rationalizing there misuse of they're lack of basic language abilitys along the way. U no wat i meen?



:cow:
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Spelling=written ability, not verbal
 
Go to HR and claim sexual harrassement, if they don't do displinary measures, at least they'll seperate you two love birds
 
samoth said:
Do you not agree they are intrinsically interlinked? Does there exist an argument for mutual exclusivity? Also, differentiate spelling from grammar.



:cow:
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"In linguistics, grammar is the set of logical and structural rules that govern the composition of sentences, phrases, and words in any given natural language. The term refers also to the study of such rules, and this field includes morphology and syntax, often complemented by phonetics, phonology, semantics, and pragmatics."

Actually bro, there's a rather significant difference between grammar and spelling...to not comprehend the basics of grammar is a problem, but you don't have to be a great speller to be articulate or sound eloquent or composed. I'm fairly certain I could give you a list of 20 or more words than you would not only not know how to spell, but wouldn't know the first thing about their denotation / connotation or how to use them in a proper sentence. That's not to say that you are ignorant or un-educated, it's just me bragging that while you spent your days at university sleeping with quantum literature, I studied the origins of language and read shakespeare. Does that make me smarter than you? No. I remember when we had an argument over space vs. linear geometry. We can sit here and argue for pages :p
 
Intelligence: ORIGIN Latin intelligentia, from intelligere ‘understand’

Intelligence is defined as...

“The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.” Compact Oxford English Dictionary, 2006

“The ability to learn, understand and make judgments or have opinions that are based on reason” Cambridge Advance Learner’s Dictionary, 2006

“Capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.” Random House Unabridged Dictionary, 2006

“…ability to adapt effectively to the environment, either by making a change in oneself or by changing the environment or finding a new one …intelligence is not a single mental process, but rather a combination of many mental processes directed toward effective adaptation to the environment.” Encyclopedia Britannica, 2006

“The ability to learn and understand or to deal with problems.” Word Central Student Dictionary, 2006
 
Spelling vs grammar can be simply explained by the following example:
English speakers all over the world use the same grammar. Often, they will not use the same spelling.
e.g. American vs British spelling of words like fiber/fibre, color/colour, ax/axe, aluminum/aluminium, draft/draught
 
trex74 said:
Intelligence: ORIGIN Latin intelligentia, from intelligere ‘understand’

Intelligence is defined as...

“The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.” Compact Oxford English Dictionary, 2006

“The ability to learn, understand and make judgments or have opinions that are based on reason” Cambridge Advance Learner’s Dictionary, 2006

“Capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.” Random House Unabridged Dictionary, 2006

“…ability to adapt effectively to the environment, either by making a change in oneself or by changing the environment or finding a new one …intelligence is not a single mental process, but rather a combination of many mental processes directed toward effective adaptation to the environment.” Encyclopedia Britannica, 2006

“The ability to learn and understand or to deal with problems.” Word Central Student Dictionary, 2006
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Non-responsive. Your dictionary quotes can easily be used to support my argument.

Considering intelligence is tested in numerous ways, what are the metrics used, and how might they apply to this specific debate?



:cow:
 
trex74 said:
Spelling vs grammar can be simply explained by the following example:
English speakers all over the world use the same grammar. Often, they will not use the same spelling.
e.g. American vs British spelling of words like fiber/fibre, color/colour, ax/axe, aluminum/aluminium, draft/draught
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Variations in word spelling versus grammatical meaning: "Their x..." vs "They're x..." vs "There x..." all have different meaning.



:cow:
 
The only metrics I studied applied to poetry LOL

Yes the meanings are different. But, thanks to your great intelligence, you understood exactly what Solar meant.
 
So what does it mean when someone has the ability to speak effectively and orally converse with people but cant spell for shit when they write?
 
the_alcatraz said:
...to not comprehend the basics of grammar is a problem, but you don't have to be a great speller to be articulate or sound eloquent or composed.
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Show me a great work of written language which doesn't imploy proper use of both spelling and grammar. (Variations in early modern and middle english notwithstanding.)

I'm fairly certain I could give you a list of 20 or more words than you would not only not know how to spell, but wouldn't know the first thing about their denotation / connotation or how to use them in a proper sentence. That's not to say that you are ignorant or un-educated,
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Yes, actually, it would imply my ignorance and un-educatedness regarding the english language.

it's just me bragging that while you spent your days at university sleeping with quantum literature,
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You actually want to debate this, or throw ad hom attacks? Not that I don't us them as flame bait, either, lol.


I studied the origins of language and read shakespeare. Does that make me smarter than you? No.
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I would argue yes. And, uh, everybody studies Shakespeare in college; I was no exception. Unlefs you read them in peir [was the letter thorn prevalent in the 1500s? I don't recall] original form, I am not imprefsed.


I remember when we had an argument over space vs. linear geometry. We can sit here and argue for pages :p
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Non-responsive. Abstract and mathematical reasoning are another metric for intelligence. Your argument here is what?



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superdave said:
So what does it mean when someone has the ability to speak effectively and orally converse with people but cant spell for shit when they write?
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Sometimes it means they have a learning disability, such as dyslexia, which occurs in the brain. It has nothing to do with intelligence. It has to do with the wiring of the brain pathways.
 
trex74 said:
The only metrics I studied applied to poetry LOL

Yes the meanings are different. But, thanks to your great intelligence, you understood exactly what Solar meant.
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You're sarcasm is duly noted.

I'm fully comfortable with both my intellegence and lack thereof; but the internet pervalence of 140 IQs, replete with such 'everybody is special and smart' quips, is quite fun to poke at.

I rather enjoy debating what "intelligence" really is, how it is defined, and how it is measured... because I really don't know. (Everyone else seems to, though. Obviously I'm the dumb.)



:cow:
 
samoth said:
Show me a great work of written language which doesn't imploy proper use of both spelling and grammar. (Variations in early modern and middle english notwithstanding.)

:cow:
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employ
 
Lambruh said:
there goes samoth being smug again, =/

HLMICS

IAN4L

:cow:
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OMG, somebody using ACRONYMS on teh INTERWEBS! NOBODY EVAR DOES THAT!!!

Now, I offer you one LOL for one each of OMG and STFU. Deal? I have a few ROFLMAOs, but those are too far outside of your price range.



:cow:

EDIT: And stop stealing my :cow:, dammit! He's MY :cow:!
 
samoth said:
Do you not agree they are intrinsically interlinked? Does there exist an argument for mutual exclusivity? Also, differentiate spelling from grammar.



:cow:
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correlation does not equal causation. the ability to use language appropriately and spell appropriately do not have much to do with each other. i thought they did too so i asked my wife (special education teacher and certified reading instructor) and she said spelling has little to do with intelligence. she also said that in recent years public schools have moved away from teaching grammar and spelling as bases for the curriculum and moved into more higher order systems like essay writing (introducing writing formulas for different topics and making language more like math, formulaic) and being able to debate using research. i grew up on grammar and spelling, i cant understand how its not taught daily. with the increase in technology in the classroom, the computers fix all the spelling and grammar errors.
 
timtim said:
with the increase in technology in the classroom, the computers fix all the spelling and grammar errors.
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Therefore math is equally irrelevant given the prevalence of calculators. Why teach children multiplication? Or is understanding the basis behind its existance and reason for being perhaps the important part... and similarly with language? The words "to" and "too" are entirely different, and differences in spelling designate their different meanings. Likewise "x" and "/" are entirely different (okay, not really, but for the purposes of this discussion, we can assume they are), and differences in 'spelling' (symbols) designate their meaning. This shows a basic understanding, and thus intellegence, whether learned or memorized.



:cow:
 
samoth said:
Therefore math is equally irrelevant given the prevalence of calculators. Why teach children multiplication? Or is understanding the basis behind its existance and reason for being perhaps the important part... and similarly with language? The words "to" and "too" are entirely different, and differences in spelling designate their different meanings. Likewise "x" and "/" are entirely different (okay, not really, but for the purposes of this discussion, we can assume they are), and differences in 'spelling' (symbols) designate their meaning. This shows a basic understanding, and thus intellegence, whether learned or memorized.



:cow:
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i agree. i finished my 2nd masters last year and the last 2 classes were taught by the same professor. he graded all of our papers on content, grammar, and spelling. he made a point to say that future leaders (which i thought was funny since no one in the classes were under 30) have to be able to communicate orally and in writing. you cant write like you talk and thats pretty prevalent i guess, especially in the undergrad scene.
 
timtim said:
the computers fix all the spelling and grammar errors.
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Spellcheckers, in my experience, do not really work that well. They miss a lot of errors, and waste time giving "suggestions" on alternate spellings of names and places.
 
samoth said:
Therefore math is equally irrelevant given the prevalence of calculators. Why teach children multiplication? Or is understanding the basis behind its existance and reason for being perhaps the important part... and similarly with language? The words "to" and "too" are entirely different, and differences in spelling designate their different meanings. Likewise "x" and "/" are entirely different (okay, not really, but for the purposes of this discussion, we can assume they are), and differences in 'spelling' (symbols) designate their meaning. This shows a basic understanding, and thus intellegence, whether learned or memorized.



:cow:
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This is a huge bugboo for me ... as far as I'm concerned, using math comprehension/skills/potential as a yardstick for measuring intelligence is just wrong, and I suffered throughout school as a result of that judgement.

I don't know how I.Q. is measured in schools now, but when I was in middle/high school (early 1980s) math and spatial reasoning skills made up a substantial chunk of the I.Q. tests that factored heavily into your academic placement. At that time, dyscalculia was not recognized as a learning disability. I sucked catastrophically in even the most basic math and any science requiring measuring or math skills (also couldn't do that thing where you look at a picture of a flattened box with a pattern on it and then you pick the shape it would make if folded up?) Anyway, anything I tested on that had to do with verbal/reading comprehension/vocabulary skills scored through the roof, consequently, the teachers told my mother I must not be trying hard enough, i.e., I wasn't "working up to my potential." It's so much fun to bust your ass on stuff to the point you're in tears over your homework most nights but keep hearing how lazy you are.
 
timtim said:
he made a point to say that future leaders (which i thought was funny since no one in the classes were under 30) have to be able to communicate orally and in writing. you cant write like you talk and thats pretty prevalent i guess, especially in the undergrad scene.
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The first thing I thought when I read this was "nucular". :D



:cow:
 
That damned unfolded box...my old nemesis...
 
samoth said:
Show me a great work of written language which doesn't imploy proper use of both spelling and grammar. (Variations in early modern and middle english notwithstanding.)
:cow:
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Okay, how about the works of e.e. cummings? James Joyce? William Burroughs? William Faulkner?
As well, there are many other writers who have decided to play around with the rules of grammar and spelling.
Great works need not be "traditional". Here is "The sky was" by e.e. cummings:

the
sky
was
can dy lu
minous
edible
spry
pinks shy
lemons
greens coo l choc
olate
s.

un der,
a lo
co
mo
tive s pout
ing
vi
o
lets
 
trex74 said:
Okay, how about the works of e.e. cummings? James Joyce? William Burroughs? William Faulkner?
As well, there are many other writers who have decided to play around with the rules of grammar and spelling.
Great works need not be "traditional". Here is "The sky was" by e.e. cummings:

the
sky
was
can dy lu
minous
edible
spry
pinks shy
lemons
greens coo l choc
olate
s.

un der,
a lo
co
mo
tive s pout
ing
vi
o
lets
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I'm not talking about artistic crap. You're really r e a c h i n g (omg, I misspelled!), and you know it.

I expected a more preftigious rebuttal.



:cow:
 
lol I love Samoth - you should come on more often you smug sob

btw I'll get into detailed argumentative mood and reply to your replies to my post soon as I can breathe at work
 
the_alcatraz said:
lol I love Samoth - you should come on more often you smug sob

btw I'll get into detailed argumentative mood and reply to your replies to my post soon as I can breathe at work
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NP. I'm just lounging around on EF today, wondering why Dubai is crashing my US stocks. :(

*eats moar turkey*



:cow:
 
samoth said:
I'm not talking about artistic crap. You're really r e a c h i n g (omg, I misspelled!), and you know it.

I expected a more preftigious rebuttal.



:cow:
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you said "written language" and I gave it to you.
I love how you snuck in the Olde English "s"!
 
trex74 said:
you said "written language" and I gave it to you.
I love how you snuck in the Olde English "s"!
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To be fair, it's a rather infamous internet meme.

And if you can't see the difference between the real world and abstract artsy crap, then I really don't think I can continue this. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get over to the other thread where I'm presently arguing how Shrek deserves an Oscar for best actor for his stunning performance in Shrek II. WHY OH WHY CAN'T THESE PEOPLE SEE HIS TALENT?!


:cow:
 
Ok, back to my original idea that spelling has no bearing on intelligence...
So if Shakespeare deliberately misspelled words, and is regarded as one of the finest writers ever, why can't other people?
Shakespeare is still relevant today- in fact he coined many phrases still in use...So I submit that his spelling "style" is relevant as well.

If you cannot understand my argument, and declare "It's Greek to me", you are quoting Shakespeare; if you claim to be more sinned against than sinning, you are quoting Shakespeare; if you recall your salad days, you are quoting Shakespeare; if you act more in sorrow than in anger, if your wish is father to the thought, if your lost property has vanished into thin air, you are quoting Shakespeare; if you have ever refused to budge an inch or suffered from green-eyed jealousy, if you have played fast and loose, if you have been tongue-tied, a tower of strength, hoodwinked or in a pickle, if you have knitted your brows, made a virtue of necessity, insisted on fair play, slept not one wink, stood on ceremony, danced attendance (on your lord and master), laughed yourself into stitches, had short shrift, cold comfort or too much of a good thing, if you have seen better days or lived in a fool's paradise - why, be that as it may, the more fool you, for it is a foregone conclusion that you are (as good luck would have it) quoting Shakespeare; if you think it is early days and clear out bag and baggage, if you think it is high time and that that is the long and short of it, if you believe that the game is up and that truth will out even if it involves your own flesh and blood, if you lie low till the crack of doom because you suspect foul play, if you have your teeth set on edge (at one fell swoop) without rhyme or reason, then - to give the devil his due - if the truth were known (for surely you have a tongue in your head) you are quoting Shakespeare; even if you bid me good riddance and send me packing, if you wish I were dead as a door-nail, if you think I am an eyesore, a laughing stock, the devil incarnate, a stony-hearted villain, bloody-minded or a blinking idiot, then - by Jove! O Lord! Tut, tut! for goodness' sake! what the dickens! but me no buts - it is all one to me, for you are quoting Shakespeare.
(Bernard Levin. From The Story of English. Robert McCrum, William Cran and Robert MacNeil. Viking: 1986).
 
samoth said:
To be fair, it's a rather infamous internet meme.

And if you can't see the difference between the real world and abstract artsy crap, then I really don't think I can continue this. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get over to the other thread where I'm presently arguing how Shrek deserves an Oscar for best actor for his stunning performance in Shrek II. WHY OH WHY CAN'T THESE PEOPLE SEE HIS TALENT?!


:cow:
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You quit, I win, everyone's happy.
 
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